UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Unfortunately I believe this is a never ending shit show. If UEFA weren’t confident of their sanction standing irrespective of the vile G14 gang pressure I doubt they would have thrown the book at us. If the sanction does stick expect the Premier League hateful eight to turn up the wick, points deductions, stripped of titles etc etc . They want us gone and even if they have done worse, which they have I just don’t think we can beat them.

I look forward to being wrong.

It is always darkest before the dawn.

I'm sure they are dreaming up another Saracens.

I also dream of Scarlett Johansson!

 

[goatersnipple]

Unfortunately I believe this is a never ending shit show. If UEFA weren’t confident of their sanction standing irrespective of the vile G14 gang pressure I doubt they would have thrown the book at us. If the sanction does stick expect the Premier League hateful eight to turn up the wick, points deductions, stripped of titles etc etc . They want us gone and even if they have done worse, which they have I just don’t think we can beat them.

I look forward to being wrong.

I dont think UEFA would have pushed it if they knew how confident city are..
I could be wrong.
But it's not very often

 

[Holcombe bloo]

I suspect this will be our trump card to play.

I think Etihad will allow CAS to see their books and the transaction in question.

The non-compliance from City with regards Uefa served us on two fronts.

We made it clear we had little trust in their process or the ability to keep things private.

More cynically, we had this card to play all along and have wanted to play it on the platform that serves us best, at CAS.

I like you Jim.

 

[KS55]

Does anyone know if uefa have to prove guilt ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ as in a criminal case or if it’s ‘burden of proof’ as in civil cases?

CAS is not a court. It is an arbitrator. Each side makes their case. CAS will make an assessment of the evidence provided and give a view as to which statements are the more persuasive. In English terms, balance of probabilities.

 

[The Colonel]

I suspect this will be our trump card to play.

I think Etihad will allow CAS to see their books and the transaction in question.

The non-compliance from City with regards Uefa served us on two fronts.

We made it clear we had little trust in their process or the ability to keep things private.

More cynically, we had this card to play all along and have wanted to play it on the platform that serves us best, at CAS.

And thankfully on the first point CAS have already raised concerns over UEFA’s process, enough to justify our reluctance surely.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I like you Jim.

Stands to reason, as others have correctly pointed out, Etihad are not at liberty to divulge sensitive financial statements.

However, it just so happens they will do what they are told if the top boss demands it.

There is something 'irrefutable' if we can show Etihad's liability was picked up by anybody other than Sheikh Mansour.

 

[KS55]

I assumed that in legal cases the .fruit of a poisoned tree...doctrine àpplied....

An American rule. CAS, as an arbitrator will allow hacked or stolen emails.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

CAS is not a court. It is an arbitrator. Each side makes their case. CAS will make an assessment of the evidence provided and give a view as to which statements are the more persuasive. In English terms, balance of probabilities.

They could even tell both parties to pack it in and try again to sort it.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Read again what Khaldoon has said about the procedure followed by UEFA and read what he has said about our evidence. Why don't you believe him? Then there's the double jeopardy angle to the case. Then there's the way UEFA applied completely different standards to the Juventus deal with Jeep. Oh and the treatment of PSG and the appointment of their chairmen which suggests strongly that there is a campaign against City specifically.Then there's the clause 101 of TfEU which makes FFP unlawful and unenforceable. Is that enough for you?

I have not the slightest doubt that this is the case. It is wholly political, making up rules as you go along at the behest of shadowy figures running other clubs! They have not wanted MCFC in the 'family of European clubs' from the first time we qualified. The groans among the audience when our tab was first pulled out when we benefited from Crouch's og to nab fourth place was palpable, and I would suggest it is centred around the ADUG and Abu Dhabi connection. It isn't rocket science. You only have to listen to the garbage poured out by the RDAHMeedya, tv commentators and the general drivel regurgitated across the football world.

 

[KS55]

They could even tell both parties to pack it in and try again to sort it.

Yes, could be a score draw. God, what a nightmare that would be.

 

[mrbelfry]

If we can successfully argue that there was no sponsorship inflation does that necessarily follow that the second charge of failing to cooperate is also not valid.. Or could we be cleared of one and found guilty of the other?

 

[old blue]

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Apologies to @Prestwich_Blue !

Does Cyclops post on here?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Yes, could be a score draw. God, what a nightmare that would be.

Not if you already know the result?

At that stage, Cerefin comes more into play.

He has distanced himself from the IC and AC findings so far.

Such an instruction from CAS to mediate would lend itself also to the suggestions the FFP is poised to be overhauled.

I know PB has stated Cerefin offered us a piecemeal arrangement and we told him where to shove it.

I'm not so sure. In actual fact, what if Khaldoon's confidence isn't only rooted in our irrefutable evidence and innocence, but what has been potentially gamed out between ourselves and Cerefin?

Taking this all the way to CAS serves a number of things, including Uefa saying to the usual lobbyists that they took it all the way, but the AC fucked up and City had evidence all along which now calls for radical reform?

M'lud, this concludes my case for the defence.

 

[Coatigan]

Athletic showing again their true colours, eh?

Could 'finally' mean serious punishments.

Another example of writing we are guilty and are somehow evading capture.

Pretty much planting the seeds, either way the decision at CAS goes, their depiction of us can continue.

The itching to see PL action against us has gone on from the day der speigl ran their rumours. It assumes deliberate falsification, but even if cas were to uphold the ban, it doesnt necessarily mean intentional misleading, just that our interpretation didnt align with uefa's and cas agreed with theirs.

It is so fucking annoying, sometimes, it really is.

 

[franksinatra]

With city being confident and knowing these emails will be taking into account they must been taken out of context..

If city are coming at it from a different angle like we have been treated totally different than any other club which we have it could end badly.

Agree on the last paragraph, completely

 

[franksinatra]

uefa can have whatever the fuck they want written in a stolen email, but if the source of the funds they question can be proven to be what we say it was, then their case goes tits up. A simple bank statement would do that. The hacked* emails then become totally irrelevant.

Or am I missing something obvious here?

*not leaked, for the benefit of all you wankstain lying bastard "journalists" creeping around here, and we know you are here.

As I have stated I am not an expert here but not sure a simple bank statement would do it, because from my understanding, it has not been questioned that we received the money from those companies, but that part of that money previously was provided by ADUG.

 

[SWP's back]

I assumed that in legal cases the .fruit of a poisoned tree...doctrine àpplied....

No. It dôesñ’t in Swiîtzerłand and certainly not at the CAS.

 

[SEAC1986]

Possibly the biggest thing which lift's my confidence is my experience of the Middle East.

I last returned from there in December 2017, and my experience goes back to 1986 .

They are nobody's fools , and generally have used their oil money (DIRTY) to educate their leaders to the highest standards in the Western world, Khaldoun being a prime example.

The second and probably more important to MCFC's case is the importance of face/image. AD or any Emirate or arab state are concerned about their image. Losing this case , and the damage it would do to Abu Dhabi , is the nightmare scenario.

For this reason, I don't believe MCFC would have launched so strongly if they weren't convinced of their case.

 

[KS55]

Not if you already know the result?

At that stage, Cerefin comes more into play.

He has distanced himself from the IC and AC findings so far.

Such an instruction from CAS to mediate would lend itself also to the suggestions the FFP is poised to be overhauled.

I know PB has stated Cerefin offered us a piecemeal arrangement and we told him where to shove it.

I'm not so sure. In actual fact, what if Khaldoon's confidence isn't only rooted in our irrefutable evidence and innocence, but what has been potentially gamed out between ourselves and Cerefin?

Taking this all the way to CAS serves a number of things, including Uefa saying to the usual lobbyists that they took it all the way, but the AC fucked up and City had evidence all along which now calls for radical reform?

M'lud, this concludes my case for the defence.

Has a certain attraction. The statement accompanying such an outcome must be unequivical about our innocence.

 

[Proy]

"Your" ;)

Dam the predictive text!