Yes, I think we can only appeal if we feel that due process hasn’t been followed, or a lack of jurisdiction, as far as I’m aware.
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UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST
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UEFA will eventually bring themselves crashing down due to their sell out to G14.Yeah, the notion that we’re going to bring the whole organisation crashing to the ground seems a bit far fetched. Overturning the ban is the sole aim here.
Yeah, the notion that we’re going to bring the whole organisation crashing to the ground seems a bit far fetched. Overturning the ban is the sole aim here.
If they lose, UEFA are in pretty big trouble. I don't know what form bringing the organisation down is supposed to take, but I can definitely see a lot of people and clubs getting disillusioned entirely with FFP, the administrators at UEFA and their procedures if we walk away with no punishment. The ever increasing financial dominance of the Premier League is only going to increase the pressure from other countries too.
I wouldn't be that surprised if we eventually saw something akin to what happened with rugby union 6 years ago. The top clubs got fed up with the way it was being run, so just quit and formed a new, virtually identical, corporation with slightly altered rules and financial distribution.
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Yeah, the notion that we’re going to bring the whole organisation crashing to the ground seems a bit far fetched. Overturning the ban is the sole aim here.
I’m not sure we will bring them crashing down but we might cause them some local difficulty!
I think that will happen regardless of what happens at the CAS.If they lose, UEFA are in pretty big trouble. I don't know what form bringing the organisation down is supposed to take, but I can definitely see a lot of people and clubs getting disillusioned with FFP, the administrators at UEFA and their procedures if we walk away with no punishment.
I wouldn't be that surprised if we saw something akin to what happened with rugby union 6 years ago. The top clubs got fed up with the way it was being run, so just quit and formed a new, virtually identical, corporation with slightly altered rules and financial distribution.
I think that will happen regardless of what happens at the CAS.
It's probably on the horizon but us winning will bring it closer. It also might change quite how badly the reshuffle effects UEFA - whether the clubs just demand new rules and more money, or the ECA break off entirely with their own competitions and cut out UEFA as a middle man.
Not really sure how UEFA could be held culpable by those clubs if we were to win at CAS. They would surely argue that they did everything they could to punish us.It's probably on the horizon but us winning will bring it closer. It also might change quite how badly the reshuffle effects UEFA - whether the clubs just demand new rules and more money, or the ECA break off entirely with their own competitions and cut out UEFA as a middle man.
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Not really sure how UEFA could be held culpable by those clubs if we were to win at CAS. They would surely argue that they did everything they could to punish us.
Goes one of two ways for me. Either we get our noses in the trough, clear out a few of our more troublesome if not most influential foes and move on from there, or the status quo claim and drive the media agenda that UEFA aren't fit for purpose as they couldn't punish City properly, and draw up their Agnelli League with new financial regulations and invitations to participate.
Ceferin's links with Agnelli are the thing that make me most uncertain on how this could play out afterwards, it's hard to see anything in our favour given those ties.
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Bingo, this is what I’ve said all along the club presented a 200 page document then stated that it was never considered by the IC in their haste to charge City due to the 5 year rule. There is also considerable doubt has to when the 5 years actually started, so the deadline may well have been missed. If the IC didn’t consider the document then it doubtful the AC didIt is probable that because they never considered it they then never passed it to the AC for consideration in their judgement. You have to remember the IC were tunning out of time to charge City and if City were entitled to present it it may have gone over the 5 year deadline. So it is my understanding the AC never even saw Citys dossier. Not a bad thing in my view.
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So thats got to be one good thing in our favour then?Bingo, this is what I’ve said all along the club presented a 200 page document then stated that it was never considered by the IC in their haste to charge City due to the 5 year rule. There is also considerable doubt has to when the 5 years actually started, so the deadline may well have been missed. If the IC didn’t consider the document then it doubtful the AC did
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Maybe it's just me but I suspect if we get this overturned it will be on a technicality due to UEFA/ IC + AC processing the case poorly, as opposed to City actually being proven innocent (which btw I reckon will be the club's approach) then the clubs would be in a strong position to say UEFA dropped the ball.Not really sure how UEFA could be held culpable by those clubs if we were to win at CAS. They would surely argue that they did everything they could to punish us.
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It could well be that there's 3 or 4 reasons to overturn the decision but the easiest will be as you posted.Maybe it's just me but I suspect if we get this overturned it will be on a technicality due to UEFA/ IC + AC processing the case poorly, as opposed to City actually being proven innocent (which btw I reckon will be the club's approach) then the clubs would be in a strong position to say UEFA dropped the ball.
It'd get us in the clear but would just allow the media to keep popping at us.
aguerooooo
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thank you very muchTotally agree mate. Hope things pick up for you Aguerooo.
To go one further, all 3 or 4 reasons could be used by CAS but the media would only report on the 1 of them.It could well be that there's 3 or 4 reasons to overturn the decision but the easiest will be as you posted.
It'd get us in the clear but would just allow the media to keep popping at us.
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Maybe we were waiting for the right target(s) to appear in the crosswires.I'd hope we win and piss all over them but without knowing what's really going on...and none of us do even though some shout out they do....I've gone for other.
I think ultimately some sort of deal will be cut partway through the hearing as one party hopefully UEFA will have an arse like a 50p piece at how it's going.
I don't buy into the smoking gun stuff, if we held these cards we could have caused chaos months/years ago.
mosssideblue
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Love the chess/draughts analogyProbably my wrong choice of word there. I agree our owner is more worldly wise than any of them and that is why his business capability into their sector has been resented.
Boils down to fair competition and football for some reason being legally allowed to operate a "Barrier to Entry" which is a legally enforceable offence as a form of Cartel in the real world that has competition rules by protecting the use of investment phase cash by new entrants into a sector of business.
The fact remains that that our owners have had to war continuously with the g14 to protect a business model that has delivered. Perhaps our expectation would be that all would be forgiven and we would be given a gentlemanly handshake for upsetting their "club" arrangements.?
I feel the real reason is that their fear of our owners business acumen started the barrier so their fears have been totally realised.
We have played chess with them whilst they play draughts, so rather than accepting our victory they are claiming an illegal move by one of our pawns at the start.
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Much like a case not proven or case dismissed. Still has that inference of guilt.It could well be that there's 3 or 4 reasons to overturn the decision but the easiest will be as you posted.
It'd get us in the clear but would just allow the media to keep popping at us.
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