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UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST
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BluessinceHydeRoad
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Thanks for the summary, PB. Very clear and informative. Really appreciated the comment on the issues at stake and the evaluation of the "danger factor" of each.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Nobody likes a name-dropper.I have just been for a meal in the Ivy and had a 3 minute chat to taxi about this subject. He genuinely looked like he couldn’t give two fucks about it and his exact words to me were “do not worry about it one bit, we have nothing to worry about”. 100 percent genuine.
gordondaviesmoustache
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If you met him today he probably would too.If you'd met Gary Glitter ten years ago he would have told you he was innocent
Neville Kneville
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If you met him today he probably would too.
According to some in the Michael Jackson thread, he probably would be.
Neville Kneville
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I wonder how this little lot would have got on, if subject to UEFA's rules.
'However, Sky's euphoria at being on air before BSB evaporated quickly as 1989 progressed. Dish sales were running at fewer than 10,000 a month and and losses were mounting – up to £2m a week by late 1989
In August 1990 News Corp's UK subsidiary, News International, reported annual losses of £257m, with Sky losing £95m, on top of start-up costs of £120m.
'the deal to create BSkyB was formally announced late on Friday, 2 November 1990, that this was effectively a takeover by Murdoch's News Corp. The battle to for UK satellite TV supremacy had cost Murdoch and BSB's backers around £1.25bn to get to this point'
With the company stabilised, a secure encryption system and no UK pay-TV opposition, by early 1992 the creation of English football's Premier League provided the opportunity for the deal that would ensure BSkyB's lasting success.
BSkyB decided to bid for exclusive live rights, scuppering ITV, in a massively controversial but groundbreaking £304m five-year deal, with highlights on the BBC.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/organgrinder/2009/feb/04/sky-tv-early-years
Sir Al, who likes to call us cheats.
https://fusion.tv/story/94832/alan-sugar-premier-league-tv-deal-sky/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/markets/2813182/Sir-Alan-Sugar-sells-Amstrad-to-BSkyB.html
(Utd of course, in typical fashion, favoured the other deal, led by none other than Manchester Utd fan & future director & future head of the FA Greg Dyke & Sky then had to somehow become their friends & have bent over backwards, of forwards, ever since, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER SUBJECT).
This tv money, followed by the Champs League money & exposure, was the reason the clubs here were able to fully join the cartel & why they were able to pull away from competition. The same clubs, are still there, barring Everton who are a bit behind & Leeds, who fucked up.
Their whole success, is based on a company making huge losses, becoming a company making large profits.
'However, Sky's euphoria at being on air before BSB evaporated quickly as 1989 progressed. Dish sales were running at fewer than 10,000 a month and and losses were mounting – up to £2m a week by late 1989
In August 1990 News Corp's UK subsidiary, News International, reported annual losses of £257m, with Sky losing £95m, on top of start-up costs of £120m.
'the deal to create BSkyB was formally announced late on Friday, 2 November 1990, that this was effectively a takeover by Murdoch's News Corp. The battle to for UK satellite TV supremacy had cost Murdoch and BSB's backers around £1.25bn to get to this point'
With the company stabilised, a secure encryption system and no UK pay-TV opposition, by early 1992 the creation of English football's Premier League provided the opportunity for the deal that would ensure BSkyB's lasting success.
BSkyB decided to bid for exclusive live rights, scuppering ITV, in a massively controversial but groundbreaking £304m five-year deal, with highlights on the BBC.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/organgrinder/2009/feb/04/sky-tv-early-years
Sir Al, who likes to call us cheats.
https://fusion.tv/story/94832/alan-sugar-premier-league-tv-deal-sky/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/markets/2813182/Sir-Alan-Sugar-sells-Amstrad-to-BSkyB.html
(Utd of course, in typical fashion, favoured the other deal, led by none other than Manchester Utd fan & future director & future head of the FA Greg Dyke & Sky then had to somehow become their friends & have bent over backwards, of forwards, ever since, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER SUBJECT).
This tv money, followed by the Champs League money & exposure, was the reason the clubs here were able to fully join the cartel & why they were able to pull away from competition. The same clubs, are still there, barring Everton who are a bit behind & Leeds, who fucked up.
Their whole success, is based on a company making huge losses, becoming a company making large profits.
tolmie's hairdoo
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The Mail on Sunday today has a double page spread on us under the title 'Football's dirty War'
They have an interview with a top European lawyer who also represented Edward Snowden.
William Bourdan is leading the attempts to prevent his extradition from Hungary.
"I'm surprised not to see more citizens, politicians and the football industry asking why (Pinto) might be extradited and his data destroyed.
"It is in the long-term interests to put an end to this dirty war which is so harmful to football."
It goes on to state Uefa have made no effort to contact Pinto or his lawyers and they are trying to corroborate his findings (yes, Mail said his findings) though alternative sources in their investigations.
The Mail further states they have seen details from Belgian prosecutors to the Hungarian colleagues, asking to be able to cite Pinto as a witness in a tax avoidance case. They also request documents from his computers, which the Hungarians have seized.
Similar requests have been made by the French National Financial Prosecutors Office and Munich's tax investigation office.
Swiss investigators examining the relationship between Fifa president Gianni Infantino and a Swiss prosecutor, Rinaldo Arnold, have also askee Pinto for information.
Eurojust, the European wide judicial co-operation unit, had a meeting of prosecutors from 10 countries at the Hague, two weeks ago, to co-ordinate work on the basis of Pinto's information (again, citing it to be Pinto's)
At no stage does Ian Herbert the author of the piece (surprise, surprise) wish to inform the reader that Pinto is also wanted for blackmail and stealing £200k from a bank in the Cayman Islands as a result of his hacking (funny that...?)
As for the other turd that won't flush, his colleague Nick Harris in the same piece stated Fifa have been using Football Leaks for years, despite being aware yhey may have been as a result of hacking.
Mark Goddard was in charge of Fofa's Transfer Matching system database in 201,and was involved in many investigations into clubs, says cleaning up the game justifies using evidence wherever it can be found.
He says Uefa should do the same in investigating Manchester City over FFFP matters.
Goddard reveals: "We knew he (Pinto) was getting primary source material, and having verified the quality and veracity of those documents, we were thinking "Jesus, this helps us".
"Any particular information (in the leaks) that would help us in pursuing a particular line of inquiry, we would use that to build a picture, and build a case. (We were saying to the clubs) it's not like we don't trust you, we're just requiring you to prove what you've got. "
Goddard attempts to cover his arse by insisting Fifa would not start disciplinary proceedings based on Leaks documents alone (yeah, right) "But we would ready the documents and think "Wow, and then go and ask a question. We could ask did you guys do blah blah blah and blah?, and they'd sit there ... Going "Holy shit, how did you know how to ask that? (we said) it's didn't matter how we knew how to ask that. Just answer the question."
Goddard is now an independent consultant and pushed for changes at Uefa to force all clubs to make public all aspects of transfers.
He says City were among those resistant. He describes them as "obfuscatory" and as an illustration adds "I recently bumped into a a TMS compliance lawyer who has been working on the City minors topics (an investigation into alleged rule breaches around hiring foreign youngsters) for four years.
Asked to clarify whether City had been unhelpful on that process, Goddard says: "Og God, yeah! The usual. Obfuscate. Delay. Some clubs make it as hard for you as possible."
I'm sure City will be all over this today, Goddard has basically admitted Fifa are knowingly working with stolen material?
Apologies, done off my phone!
They have an interview with a top European lawyer who also represented Edward Snowden.
William Bourdan is leading the attempts to prevent his extradition from Hungary.
"I'm surprised not to see more citizens, politicians and the football industry asking why (Pinto) might be extradited and his data destroyed.
"It is in the long-term interests to put an end to this dirty war which is so harmful to football."
It goes on to state Uefa have made no effort to contact Pinto or his lawyers and they are trying to corroborate his findings (yes, Mail said his findings) though alternative sources in their investigations.
The Mail further states they have seen details from Belgian prosecutors to the Hungarian colleagues, asking to be able to cite Pinto as a witness in a tax avoidance case. They also request documents from his computers, which the Hungarians have seized.
Similar requests have been made by the French National Financial Prosecutors Office and Munich's tax investigation office.
Swiss investigators examining the relationship between Fifa president Gianni Infantino and a Swiss prosecutor, Rinaldo Arnold, have also askee Pinto for information.
Eurojust, the European wide judicial co-operation unit, had a meeting of prosecutors from 10 countries at the Hague, two weeks ago, to co-ordinate work on the basis of Pinto's information (again, citing it to be Pinto's)
At no stage does Ian Herbert the author of the piece (surprise, surprise) wish to inform the reader that Pinto is also wanted for blackmail and stealing £200k from a bank in the Cayman Islands as a result of his hacking (funny that...?)
As for the other turd that won't flush, his colleague Nick Harris in the same piece stated Fifa have been using Football Leaks for years, despite being aware yhey may have been as a result of hacking.
Mark Goddard was in charge of Fofa's Transfer Matching system database in 201,and was involved in many investigations into clubs, says cleaning up the game justifies using evidence wherever it can be found.
He says Uefa should do the same in investigating Manchester City over FFFP matters.
Goddard reveals: "We knew he (Pinto) was getting primary source material, and having verified the quality and veracity of those documents, we were thinking "Jesus, this helps us".
"Any particular information (in the leaks) that would help us in pursuing a particular line of inquiry, we would use that to build a picture, and build a case. (We were saying to the clubs) it's not like we don't trust you, we're just requiring you to prove what you've got. "
Goddard attempts to cover his arse by insisting Fifa would not start disciplinary proceedings based on Leaks documents alone (yeah, right) "But we would ready the documents and think "Wow, and then go and ask a question. We could ask did you guys do blah blah blah and blah?, and they'd sit there ... Going "Holy shit, how did you know how to ask that? (we said) it's didn't matter how we knew how to ask that. Just answer the question."
Goddard is now an independent consultant and pushed for changes at Uefa to force all clubs to make public all aspects of transfers.
He says City were among those resistant. He describes them as "obfuscatory" and as an illustration adds "I recently bumped into a a TMS compliance lawyer who has been working on the City minors topics (an investigation into alleged rule breaches around hiring foreign youngsters) for four years.
Asked to clarify whether City had been unhelpful on that process, Goddard says: "Og God, yeah! The usual. Obfuscate. Delay. Some clubs make it as hard for you as possible."
I'm sure City will be all over this today, Goddard has basically admitted Fifa are knowingly working with stolen material?
Apologies, done off my phone!
nmc
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The Mail on Sunday today has a double page spread on us under the title 'Football's dirty War'
They have an interview with a top European lawyer who also represented Edward Snowden.
William Bourdan is leading the attempts to prevent his extradition from Hungary.
"I'm surprised not to see more citizens, politicians and the football industry asking why (Pinto) might be extradited and his data destroyed.
"It is in the long-term interests to put an end to this dirty war which is so harmful to football."
It goes on to state Uefa have made no effort to contact Pinto or his lawyers and they are trying to corroborate his findings (yes, Mail said his findings) though alternative sources in their investigations.
The Mail further states they have seen details from Belgian prosecutors to the Hungarian colleagues, asking to be able to cite Pinto as a witness in a tax avoidance case. They also request documents from his computers, which the Hungarians have seized.
Similar requests have been made by the French National Financial Prosecutors Office and Munich's tax investigation office.
Swiss investigators examining the relationship between Fifa president Gianni Infantino and a Swiss prosecutor, Rinaldo Arnold, have also askee Pinto for information.
Eurojust, the European wide judicial co-operation unit, had a meeting of prosecutors from 10 countries at the Hague, two weeks ago, to co-ordinate work on the basis of Pinto's information (again, citing it to be Pinto's)
At no stage does Ian Herbert the author of the piece (surprise, surprise) wish to inform the reader that Pinto is also wanted for blackmail and stealing £200k from a bank in the Cayman Islands as a result of his hacking (funny that...?)
As for the other turd that won't flush, his colleague Nick Harris in the same piece stated Fifa have been using Football Leaks for years, despite being aware yhey may have been as a result of hacking.
Mark Goddard was in charge of Fofa's Transfer Matching system database in 201,and was involved in many investigations into clubs, says cleaning up the game justifies using evidence wherever it can be found.
He says Uefa should do the same in investigating Manchester City over FFFP matters.
Goddard reveals: "We knew he (Pinto) was getting primary source material, and having verified the quality and veracity of those documents, we were thinking "Jesus, this helps us".
"Any particular information (in the leaks) that would help us in pursuing a particular line of inquiry, we would use that to build a picture, and build a case. (We were saying to the clubs) it's not like we don't trust you, we're just requiring you to prove what you've got. "
Goddard attempts to cover his arse by insisting Fifa would not start disciplinary proceedings based on Leaks documents alone (yeah, right) "But we would ready the documents and think "Wow, and then go and ask a question. We could ask did you guys do blah blah blah and blah?, and they'd sit there ... Going "Holy shit, how did you know how to ask that? (we said) it's didn't matter how we knew how to ask that. Just answer the question."
Goddard is now an independent consultant and pushed for changes at Uefa to force all clubs to make public all aspects of transfers.
He says City were among those resistant. He describes them as "obfuscatory" and as an illustration adds "I recently bumped into a a TMS compliance lawyer who has been working on the City minors topics (an investigation into alleged rule breaches around hiring foreign youngsters) for four years.
Asked to clarify whether City had been unhelpful on that process, Goddard says: "Og God, yeah! The usual. Obfuscate. Delay. Some clubs make it as hard for you as possible."
I'm sure City will be all over this today, Goddard has basically admitted Fifa are knowingly working with stolen material?
Apologies, done off my phone!
Goddard - independant consultant - working for the former G14 to discredit FIFA....?
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Thought he was quite good in Lost in Space, but at 82 you would think he'd retire.Goddard - independant consultant - working for the former G14 to discredit FIFA....?
tolmie's hairdoo
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Goddard - independant consultant - working for the former G14 to discredit FIFA....?
Sounds like it?
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