Given the possible translation issues in the tweet from Alvarez couldn't a more likely outcome be a "suspension or postponement of the decision" ie CAS kick it back to UEFA and City on the basis of weak evidence, confusion over the accounts. Some sort of "not proven" verdict. That gives UEFA their possible get out. They could wait six months, after Covid calms down, and release a statement saying: "No further action."What the Panel simply won't be saying...
"The Panel finds that the [MCFC] did mislead and conceal critical information in FFP submissions to UEFA between 2012 and 2017 in breach of multiple Articles of the Rules of the CFCB over many years. The Panel finds that Manchester City had no grounds to insinuate that the Investigatory and Adjudicatory Chambers were acting in bad faith. Although this is the second breach of the FFP rules and notwithstanding the concealment and falsified submissions to UEFA over many years, the Panel has decided that the sanctions decided by the Adjudicatory Chamber were disproportionate and that Manchester City should be given a further chance (a third chance) by the imposition of a suspended sentence of a 1 year ban from European competition that it would otherwise be eligible for."
Given the possible translation issues in the tweet from Alvarez couldn't a more likely outcome be a "suspension or postponement of the decision" ie CAS kick it back to UEFA and City on the basis of weak evidence, confusion over the accounts. Some sort of "not proven" verdict. That gives UEFA their possible get out. They could wait six months, after Covid calms down, and release a statement saying: "No further action."
In your opinion, given your experience how do you think UEFA would have presented their case to CAS (how would you have with the evidence available in public?)Not really. CAS will make a decision. CAS will only kick it back to UEFA if that is what City request and City won't request that. If its not proven, City will win and CAS will annul the AC decision. This idea the sanction will be suspended or in some way quietly buried is wholly unrealistic.
Ok so given what an earlier poster has said then it's about the translation. Alvarez is a reliable source on anything at City. I read this as the players have been told (albeit with no details) that City are confident of success (ie overturning the decision). Despite what some have said I am certain that Pep will have been given detailed feedback from Khaldoo/Soriano on the CAS hearing and the players will have been given a very limited and filtered version of what Pep knows. With so many contracts and possible transfers on the go it is vital to keep everyone on board. I think the Alvarez tweet is another positive sign..but I am an optimist.Not really. CAS will make a decision. CAS will only kick it back to UEFA if that is what City request and City won't request that. If its not proven, City will win and CAS will annul the AC decision. This idea the sanction will be suspended or in some way quietly buried is wholly unrealistic.
In your opinion, given your experience how do you think UEFA would have presented their case to CAS (how would you have with the evidence available in public?)
Feel it would be good to see from the UEFA perspective considering we believe they have so many hurdles to jump.
It will be translation. The comfort from the club to Aguero (Alvarez is reliable only in respect of what Sergio has told him) probably is a generic or old line. I wouldn't read much into it save that City were confident before CAS.Ok so given what an earlier poster has said then it's about the translation. Alvarez is a reliable source on anything at City. I read this as the players have been told (albeit with no details) that City are confident of success (ie overturning the decision). Despite what some have said I am certain that Pep will have been given detailed feedback from Khaldoo/Soriano on the CAS hearing and the players will have been given a very limited and filtered version of what Pep knows. With so many contracts and possible transfers on the go it is vital to keep everyone on board. I think the Alvarez tweet is another positive sign..but I am an optimist.
It could be an old line but I am sure feedback will have trickled back to the troops since the hearing and Alvarez is a good operator. Let's wait and see, but I remain confident.It will be translation. The comfort from the club to Aguero (Alvarez is reliable only in respect of what Sergio has told him) probably is a generic or old line. I wouldn't read much into it save that City were confident before CAS.
It will be translation. The comfort from the club to Aguero (Alvarez is reliable only in respect of what Sergio has told him) probably is a generic or old line. I wouldn't read much into it save that City were confident before CAS.
Not really. CAS will make a decision. CAS will only kick it back to UEFA if that is what City request and City won't request that. If its not proven, City will win and CAS will annul the AC decision. This idea the sanction will be suspended or in some way quietly buried is wholly unrealistic.
It will be translation. The comfort from the club to Aguero (Alvarez is reliable only in respect of what Sergio has told him) probably is a generic or old line. I wouldn't read much into it save that City were confident before CAS.
Ok so given what an earlier poster has said then it's about the translation. Alvarez is a reliable source on anything at City. I read this as the players have been told (albeit with no details) that City are confident of success (ie overturning the decision). Despite what some have said I am certain that Pep will have been given detailed feedback from Khaldoo/Soriano on the CAS hearing and the players will have been given a very limited and filtered version of what Pep knows. With so many contracts and possible transfers on the go it is vital to keep everyone on board. I think the Alvarez tweet is another positive sign..but I am an optimist.
Yes they would have debriefed.Would our legal team have undertaken a debrief with senior execs post the hearing - do you think? or do they just leave it until there’s a decision. Just wondering where the mood of optimism inside the club is coming from and whether it’s based on anything more than a few snippets or if it’s based on a forensic and informed strategic assessment of the hearing.
There will definitely have been a briefing from our lawers during and after the case to the key senior managers from CFG and City. That would have included discussions about how to manage the information internally.Would our legal team have undertaken a debrief with senior execs post the hearing - do you think? or do they just leave it until there’s a decision. Just wondering where the mood of optimism inside the club is coming from and whether it’s based on anything more than a few snippets or if it’s based on a forensic and informed strategic assessment of the hearing.
I said generic (some kind of staff comms) or old. The generic one could have been post CAS but I still wouldn't weight it very highlyNot sure I agree with you on the timings there.
I doubt Alvarez will be passing off weeks old info - predating CAS - from Sergio as some form of an update.
I'm pretty sure this will be a post-CAS statement of positivity from inside the club - much like Ric and TH have posted recently. Nothing more than that in terms of specific insight into the outcome, but it does serve to underline the prevailing mood at the Club following the hearing.
Yes they would have debriefed.
Here's something else CAS won't be saying but ought to :What the Panel simply won't be saying...
"The Panel finds that the [MCFC] did mislead and conceal critical information in FFP submissions to UEFA between 2012 and 2017 in breach of multiple Articles of the Rules of the CFCB over many years. The Panel finds that Manchester City had no grounds to insinuate that the Investigatory and Adjudicatory Chambers were acting in bad faith. Although this is the second breach of the FFP rules and notwithstanding the concealment and falsified submissions to UEFA over many years, the Panel has decided that the sanctions decided by the Adjudicatory Chamber were disproportionate and that Manchester City should be given a further chance (a third chance) by the imposition of a suspended sentence of a 1 year ban from European competition that it would otherwise be eligible for."