UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Alcatraz]

Probably but surprised they've not had a go for the rags.

Didn’t need to !

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

UEFA is part of the structure of professional football throughout the world and as long as it restricts its activities to on the pitch affairs - which can include organising tournaments and related matters - there is no problem. The problems can be very serious indeed when it trespasses into matters of law: no problem to outlaw hand ball but grave difficulties if it tells clubs/enterprises how much they can spend, and where that money must come from. Laws are made by sovereign, usually elected Parliaments and the courts will not tolerate interference, and certainly not rivalry from a sporting body. TFEU is the statutory basis of competition law in the EU. This is hardly an imposition on the UK or anywhere else since it was enacted by consent and is in fact a codification of what obtained in European democracies anyway. UEFA was biting off more than it could chew in laying down FFP and if the regulations are judged unlawful by the courts they will not enforce them. If UEFA persists the courts would freeze UEFA's assets and make it impossible for it to function. This is whether UEFA is based in Switzerland, England or wherever. UEFA did not try to contest the Bosman ruling though it had reduced Bosman himself to a depressed alcoholic but with City it is taking on part of a multinational group with virtually unlimited resources. The cost of failure could be very high indeed.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

UEFA is part of the structure of professional football throughout the world and as long as it restricts its activities to on the pitch affairs - which can include organising tournaments and related matters - there is no problem. The problems can be very serious indeed when it trespasses into matters of law: no problem to outlaw hand ball but grave difficulties if it tells clubs/enterprises how much they can spend, and where that money must come from. Laws are made by sovereign, usually elected Parliaments and the courts will not tolerate interference, and certainly not rivalry from a sporting body. TFEU is the statutory basis of competition law in the EU. This is hardly an imposition on the UK or anywhere else since it was enacted by consent and is in fact a codification of what obtained in European democracies anyway. UEFA was biting off more than it could chew in laying down FFP and if the regulations are judged unlawful by the courts they will not enforce them. If UEFA persists the courts would freeze UEFA's assets and make it impossible for it to function. This is whether UEFA is based in Switzerland, England or wherever. UEFA did not try to contest the Bosman ruling though it had reduced Bosman himself to a depressed alcoholic but with City it is taking on part of a multinational group with virtually unlimited resources. The cost of failure could be very high indeed.

This is the bigger picture.
What I find most puzzling is how UEFA consider their rule-making to be above the law and how they hope to defend it in the courts.
It seems inconceivable to me that the stuff they come up with about football’s ‘uniqueness’ could be considered grounds to break internationally accepted laws.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

that isn’t going to happen though, as much as they would like that too happen.

the next best thing they can do is destabilise the club and effect it in terms of recruitment ability.

We are too far advanced for shiehk mansour to bigger off and write off everything he has done.

We have seen this season that we need to refresh things - if the cartel and uefa get their corrupt sanction to stick then regardless of what someone may say on here, the counter to that would be that it could have a negative impact bringing the players we need in.

That allows the others to catch up

It allows others to catch up, overtake, and then write a new set of rules to nobble us further. A 2 year ban is a disaster

 

[Dribble]

He is right, it can have consequences. Look at the case of FC Sion against FIFA and UEFA. Ultimately, the sanctions stood and they even managed to get the club sanctioned in its own league : a 36 points penalty.

https://www.lenouvelliste.ch/dossiers/fc-sion/articles/l-asf-retire-36-points-au-fc-sion-196245
The punishment inflicted by the ASF(Association Suisse de Football) is the consequence of the pressure exerted recently (December 17) by FIFA. The latter had formulated an ultimatum to the ASF, giving it until January 13 to pronounce “a withdrawal of three points respectively a package (...) for each match of the 2011/2012 season in which at least one of the six players have been aligned. "

In the event of non-execution, the ASF risked being suspended, like its clubs, from all international competitions. "FIFA has been forcing to speed things up on this issue," said Marco von Ah. But anyway, Sion would have ended up being punished, he said.

In a press release, FC Sion stigmatized the "lack of courage" of the ASF, accused of "complying with the blackmail of FIFA and collaborating in the injustice facing the Valais club." The club considers it to be an “intolerable violation of sports fairness”.

FC Sion will continue its fight to defend its interests. He will do everything possible so that the leaders in charge of sports bodies respect the fundamental right of each person to go to justice without suffering reprisals, the press release explains.

After filing penal complaints against the leaders of FIFA and UEFA, it therefore seems likely that similar action will be directed against the leaders of the ASF. Continuation, and probably not end, to the next episode.

I've no idea what they were banned for, & what the context is. But what I will say is that having it with FC Sion, & Manchester City are two totally different propositions.

How much worse can it get than a 2 year ban? What more can UEFA/G14 possibly do?

Also remember the EU Competition & Cartel laws. FFP is in direct contravention of both, so once we respond to UEFA on that level, are you saying the EU will give a Cartel exemption to UEFA, & tell the rest of Europe the same rules as before apply to the rest of you? Can you seriously see that being the case?

Like I said previously, Bosman tested UEFA & European law took precedence, so for the life of me I can't see how & why FFP will be treated any different once it's tested.

City need to stop fuckin about & skip all the evidence & go for the jugular. No one has yet explained to me what we have to lose in our specific circumstances.

 

[Dribble]

UEFA is part of the structure of professional football throughout the world and as long as it restricts its activities to on the pitch affairs - which can include organising tournaments and related matters - there is no problem. The problems can be very serious indeed when it trespasses into matters of law: no problem to outlaw hand ball but grave difficulties if it tells clubs/enterprises how much they can spend, and where that money must come from. Laws are made by sovereign, usually elected Parliaments and the courts will not tolerate interference, and certainly not rivalry from a sporting body. TFEU is the statutory basis of competition law in the EU. This is hardly an imposition on the UK or anywhere else since it was enacted by consent and is in fact a codification of what obtained in European democracies anyway. UEFA was biting off more than it could chew in laying down FFP and if the regulations are judged unlawful by the courts they will not enforce them. If UEFA persists the courts would freeze UEFA's assets and make it impossible for it to function. This is whether UEFA is based in Switzerland, England or wherever. UEFA did not try to contest the Bosman ruling though it had reduced Bosman himself to a depressed alcoholic but with City it is taking on part of a multinational group with virtually unlimited resources. The cost of failure could be very high indeed.

What @BluessinceHydeRoad said... ^^^^

 

[Parisian]

I've no idea what they were banned for, & what the context is. But what I will say is that having it with FC Sion, & Manchester City are two totally different propositions.

How much worse can it get than a 2 year ban? What more can UEFA/G14 possibly do?

Also remember the EU Competition & Cartel laws. FFP is in direct contravention of both, so once we respond to UEFA on that level, are you saying the EU will give a Cartel exemption to UEFA, & tell the rest of Europe the same rules as before apply to the rest of you? Can you seriously see that being the case?

Like I said previously, Bosman tested UEFA & European law took precedence, so for the life of me I can't see how & why FFP will be treated any different once it's tested.

City need to stop fuckin about & skip all the evidence & go for the jugular. No one has yet explained to me what we have to lose in our specific circumstances.

I'm not saying the case are similar. I'm just saying there can be consequences when contesting UEFA/FIFA out of CAS as the other poster said.

I still hope City will go all the way and win because FFP is a joke.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

I'm not saying the case are similar. I'm just saying there can be consequences when contesting UEFA/FIFA out of CAS as the other poster said.

I still hope City will go all the way and win because FFP is a joke.

Some want City to go to war, it is highly unlikely why would City want to disrupt a group the G14 that we are in , in all but name, the kicking and screaming is getting done by those likely to lose out, why would City or PSG for that matter want the likes of Newcastle and many others a free ride to the place City have had to fight hard and overpay for years, FFP is merely a business plan that can change at any time depending on votes, but it has had a secondary use in England, it has legitimized the removing of 100`s of millions of pounds out of English football , some clubs are corrupt

 

[MillionMilesAway]

This is the bigger picture.
What I find most puzzling is how UEFA consider their rule-making to be above the law and how they hope to defend it in the courts.
It seems inconceivable to me that the stuff they come up with about football’s ‘uniqueness’ could be considered grounds to break internationally accepted laws.

I don't think they do.
I think they rely on the mass of clubs who have agreed to them not rocking the boat.

 

[M18CTID]

so you were wrong then?

Don’t shoot the messenger. I was only passing on what I heard. In any case, pretty much everyone on here didn’t want to entertain the idea that we’d get a ban and therefore it came as a shock to so many whereas to me it didn’t.
Anyway smart arse - the point of the post was that the club weren’t blindsided and must’ve known a ban was incoming.