UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Bodicoteblue]

what i cant figure is that if this was a 'criminal' case brought by the police, then the case would be thrown out of court as the 'evidence' was obtained illegally (hacked). So how can UEFA bring charges to us by the same means? We all know UEFA are corrupt, but to flaunt the law is just illegal ... isnt it?

UEFA could say that this is equivalent to a civil case, and that they are not bound by the law, because they are making the rules within a private organisation and that ‘football is special’
They need reminding that they tried this one in the Bosman ruling and were given a stern warning that it does not wash.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

He’s Irish though, so praising anything or anyone in blue is obviously genetically impossible for him!

I'm Irish and I think we're quite good.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

If your working for one of these papers work your bollocks of writing a positive article about City and get not many clicks then you write an article that takes the piss out of us and has a bingo like article and get 10 times more clicks/hits thats why the majority of articles about city mainly have a negative headline and write up it appeases the history club supporters. I only click on positive articles and block the clowns.

And unfortunately that's the truth about modern society.
Social media is instant gratification for the no nowt generation.
Hard to see how we win the propaganda war. In social media, once you start explaining you've lost.
The generation that lap it up have the attention span of a goldfish. Those that write it simply move on to further outrageous allegations without having to substantiate anything.
When you're explaining, you're always playing catch up.

 

[blueinsa]

And unfortunately that's the truth about modern society.
Social media is instant gratification for the no nowt generation.
Hard to see how we win the propaganda war. In social media, once you start explaining you've lost.
The generation that lap it up have the attention span of a goldfish. Those that write it simply move on to further outrageous allegations without having to substantiate anything.
When you're explaining, you're always playing catch up.

Superb post that should go in the brexit threads as well lol.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I would hope so. If you think about the oft-used phrase "financial doping" which trips so lightly off the tongue of so many, the word "doping" is used specifically because of its connotations of dishonesty and cheating.

In fact, if you look at what we were punished for, it wasn't anything to do with cheating but everything to do with failing to live within our means (at the time). The two are different things.

I should imagine that the club would be issuing warnings that the use of words or phrases implying dishonesty would give a cause of action both for the individual concerned and the media providing the platform for the use of such words or phrases.

I'm also intrigued by suggestions that the next apparent charge is about "misleading" investigators. There are various ways of "misleading" investigators. There is the unintentional omission of something that should have been disclosed, for example because it wasn't asked for, or "intentionally misleading" investigators by, for example, lying about something you were specifically asked about. Proving "intention" is the hardest part of any allegation relating to dishonesty.

The distinction is important because it goes to proportionality of punishment. A ban from the CL would only be justified for an allegation that the club intentionally misled the investigators. That's a very hard allegation to sustain.

And then we come to materiality. Was the "misleading" of the investigators material. Given we were punished anyway, it's difficult to see how it could be, especially from the leaked "evidence".

We don't have the evidence, of course, but neither do the media making damaging allegations. I'd imagine their cards are well marked.

Maybe we need to start coming up with our own lexicon of phrases.
Like Post and Pre FFP doping. Or maybe Pre FFP doping could be Elite or Historical Doping.
Or maybe not call it FFP at all. How about Cartel Fund Management rules.

Regarding "misleading" investigators, our acounts are there for all to see. How misleading is having them in the Cayman Islands away from scrutiny.
That wouldn't be allowed would it, under CFM rules. (see above)
Would it?

 

[dickie davies]

Let's get this straight
It has categorically been proven by etihad themselves that they did not fund the sponsorship of City at that period
It really comes down to who's name was on the cheque

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

The sponsorship isn't inflated and there is no accusation from Uefa that it is.
They don't like the fact a stolen email insinuates that Etihad didn't pay all of it - which surprisingly isn't against the rules anyway. Its just they feel we should have told them although what its got to do with them I'm not sure. It keeps being referred to as backdoor funding by the owner although City are adamant we have broken no rules. Make of it what you will as a massive City fan with 7 posts in 2 years.
Oh and its got fuck all to do with the Premier League as FFP for the league came in years after Uefa introduced it. By then our commercial income was out of site of fucking FFP.
Usually on here if it walks like a duck, behaves like a duck & quacks like a duck you can bet your bottom dollar his first name is Donald.

Daffy more likely.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

What company is it that the city owner also owns??

I was talking in general terms - whether owning, or just giving them millions of ponds comes to much the same thing - owner investment.
Could have worded it better though.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

No one says it's inflated though. It's been allowed already as fair value so even if it was related parties it wouldn't matter.

A misunderstanding, I think - I wasn't meaning it in that sense.
If a company can only afford £10M, but can pay £20M because it has £10M extra give to it, then it's been inflated (for a given definition of inflation).
Probably should have come up with a different term though!

 

[samarasra]

I'm Irish and I think we're quite good.

"He’s Irish though, so praising anything or anyone in blue is obviously genetically impossible for him!"
A comment just as obnoxious, biased and ignorant as the comments by these "journalists" being criticised. There are many Blues followers in Ireland supporting City for over 50 years or more, many since long before the "takeover",many more since,there are also many City supporters clubs and now many youngsters thrilled by Pep's style of play. A blue minority growing bigger yearly. "The Light Was Yellow Sir " should put a little more thought into future posts if that's not genetically impossible for him/her. This is a City forum not a xenophobia forum.