UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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https://www.insidethegames.biz/arti...-rules-enforced-arbitration-of-cas-is-illegal

Thats a very interesting development - considering its dated Sep 2018 - im surprised nobody here picked that up.
If indeed there is "room for doubt" over the impartiality and independence of the CAS, given that it is, they say, "under the economic and political influence of sport's international federations" any appeal we lodge to any sanction from Uefa should go straight to the ECJ.
 
You (they) absolutely can and the CAS has admitted this type of evidence before. It's Swiss Law, not UK Law, EU Law or Pakistani Law.

As i said it was a matter of research into the concerned law and since they have admitted such evidence before like you pointed out, than they surely can as there is a precedent.
 
just to throw a massive swerve ball into the already heady mix;

https://www.insidethegames.biz/arti...-rules-enforced-arbitration-of-cas-is-illegal

CAS forced arbitration has been found to be illegal under EU law, as of Sept 2018.
The plot thickens. Going to get very messy. If we relied on this and went to a real court, UEFA would, according to their rules, suspend us from their competitions until the case was settled, which might take a couple of years. We've been here before, and took a pinch.
 
UEFA are also a regulator and are on record about this sort of thing.

Look, I don’t get why City fans keep going on and on about the legality of the hacked emails. City would not be preparing a 100 odd page rebuttal if they were going to try and argue their legality or veracity. They’re arguing the context (His Majesty vs His Majesty Sheik Mansour etc) and giving supporting evidence (bank transfers from Etihad and the like) that Etihad paid Manchester City directly.

It’s a non starter and not worth arguing or debating over.
Can UEFA not just demand all relevant documents from City?
 
CFCB independent investigators are paid by UEFA, bound by UEFA Statues, rules and regulations, have an office and staff funded by UEFA located at UEFA HQ but they are independent of UEFA. Anyhow some relevant points on their documented procedure(s)

Anyhow the CFCB proceedures are here https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/02/28/72/46/2287246_DOWNLOAD.pdf

and some applicable extracts on the process up to the point we are at now with my rantings in brackets are below.

Article 10 – Confidentiality Members of the CFCB ensure complete confidentiality of all facts that come to their attention in the course of their duties and, in particular, refrain from divulging the contents of deliberations. ( Well clearly this was fucked up with the deliberate leak to the press whoops UEFA)



III. DECISION-MAKING PROCESS OF THE CFCB

Chapter 1 – Investigatory Chamber Article 12 – Tasks of the CFCB chief investigator (This the Belgian Goat Breeder)

1 The CFCB chief investigator leads the monitoring process and the investigation proceedings.

2 An investigation can be opened ex officio or upon request. (By a German rag in this case)

3 The CFCB chief investigator establishes the facts and collects all relevant evidence.

4 The CFCB chief investigator leads the investigation proceedings himself or assigns this role to another member of the investigatory chamber. ( No way this was being delegated )



Article 13 – Collection of evidence

1 The CFCB chief investigator may, on his own initiative or, where appropriate, at the request of the defendant, convene a hearing as part of his investigation. (According to the Club this wasn’t done)

2 All means of evidence may be considered by the CFCB chief investigator. This includes, but is not limited to, the defendant’s testimony, witness testimonies, documents and records, recordings (audio or video), on-site inspections and expert reports.

3 The defendant may consult the case file. (Implication from the Club this wasn’t done)

4 The CFCB chief investigator may set a suitable time limit for the defendant to submit its observations and/or submit or request complementary evidence. (Apparently the complementary evidence of “Facts” was not taken in account)

5 Article 14 – End of the investigation

1 At the end of the investigation, the CFCB chief investigator, after having consulted with the other members of the investigatory chamber, may decide to:

a) dismiss the case; or

b) conclude, with the consent of the defendant, a settlement agreement; or

c) apply, with the consent of the defendant, disciplinary measures limited to a warning, a reprimand or a fine up to a maximum amount of €100,000; or

d) refer the case to the adjudicatory chamber. 2 The decision of the CFCB chief investigator is notified to the defendant in writing. 3 Decisions of the CFCB chief investigator shall be forwarded to the CFCB chairman. 4 Decisions of the CFCB chief investigator pursuant to Article 14(1)(b) or Article 14(1)(c) shall be published within five days from the date of their communication to the defendant. 5 The CFCB chief investigator may, following a reasoned request from the defendant made within two days from the date of communication of the decision, redact the decision to protect confidential information or personal data.


Article 17 – Decision of the CFCB chief investigator to refer a case to the adjudicatory chamber 1 Any decision of the CFCB chief investigator to refer a case to the adjudicatory chamber shall contain:

a) a concise summary of the facts; (Er you mis led us and the ex-G14 are scared shitless doesn’t really meet this criteria)

b) an outline of the gathered evidence; (The Club didn’t seem impressed on this front)

c) a description of the nature of the alleged breach(es);

d) a reference to the provision(s) alleged to have been breached;

e) a proposal to the adjudicatory chamber as regards the final decision to be taken, including, where appropriate, any disciplinary measures. (Looks like the IC started at Article 17.e forgot about Article 10 and went backwards)

2 Further information may be requested from the CFCB chief investigator by the adjudicatory chamber at any time in the course of the judgment stage. (presumably the IC will now be backtracking and completing the Article 13 investigation and evidence gathering analysis part)


When comparing the UEFA procedures to the wording and tone of the Club statement, it certainly appears on face value that UEFA have done some serious corner cutting to meet the statue of time limitation. If as implied and the club have not been shown the case file the IC put against the defendant then by their own process the case should not have been escalated to the AC as per Article 13 .3. I fully expect the AC to find us guilty but would be absolutely amazed if the CAS upholds what appears to a sham that started with a punishment, leaked punishment to press and then trying to join enough dots to justify a predetermined outcome. The CAS case is essentially to ensure UEFA followed their own guidelines and I don’t see how they get any where near that mark.

P.S UEFA also accept in that document that Swiss law is applicable
 
Can UEFA not just demand all relevant documents from City?

Not a chance, I'd say.
They can request them, and could consider what any failure to cooperate in their judgement, but demand? No way.

Of course, if it's all above board, you'd wonder why City wouldn't cooperate.
 
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When comparing the UEFA procedures to the wording and tone of the Club statement, it certainly appears on face value that UEFA have done some serious corner cutting to meet the statue of time limitation. If as implied and the club have not been shown the case file the IC put against the defendant then by their own process the case should not have been escalated to the AC as per Article 13 .3. I fully expect the AC to find us guilty but would be absolutely amazed if the CAS upholds what appears to a sham that started with a punishment, leaked punishment to press and then trying to join enough dots to justify a predetermined outcome. The CAS case is essentially to ensure UEFA followed their own guidelines and I don’t see how they get any where near that mark.

I've said before that this might be UEFA trying to get out of a no-win position.
The hurried completion may lead to the matter collapsing, as they only had about 6 months to look into it. Probably better for UEFA to try pushing one through and fail, than to not to try to push one through at all.
 
Not a chance, I'd say.
They can request them, and could consider what any failure to cooperate in their judgement, but demand? No way.

Of course, if it's all above board, you'd wonder why City wouldn't cooperate.

Well City say that a 100-page dossier has been presented. That may include transcripts of all e-mails pertaining to this issue - and not just the out of context ones!
 
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