UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Sky Blue]

Pep should just wade in and windmill any fucker trying to be clever

Might improve Stone's looks. Then again....

 

[aguero93:20]

Might improve Stone's looks. Then again....

Definitely wouldn't kill any brain cells.

 

[Neville Kneville]

yup same here, depends on your view of trump probs, tbh I think our situation is nothing like him, he's an insecure bigot who rides roughshod over democratic processes that were put in place because the path his actions lead us down are stupid.

The comparison with some of the reporting is fair enough though.

There are most definitely people out to get him who will put everything he does in a bad light.

The thing is, that there are still some who believe there are not a load of people out to get us, when it's obvious there really is a large group who are genuinely seeking to put us down at every opportunity.

At least Trump deserves it.

 

[Sid C]

By FIFA, yes. When they inevitably lose the FIFA appeal, they'll appeal to CAS and the ban will be suspended pending the outcome of that appeal.

Ahh ok. I only caught the tail end but it sounded as though they are being treated differently to the Spanish clubs previously

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

True enough.

But I struggle with this whole thing, as the big difference of course, is that even if we are 100% 'guilty' the only thing we have done, is try to get round rules which are quite clearly bent & have only been put in place to favour our competitors, some of whom have owners taking money out of football & all have benefitted from people & organisations putting money in, to get them where they are today.

At least Trump is actually doing stuff which is wrong.

We are just fighting against the effects of blatant corruption, but are labelled as the bad guys.

And forever will be, regardless of whether we come out of this unscathed from a sanctioning point of view. The whole narrative has already been established, to de-legitimise our achievements.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Neither am I, but it's amazing how much hysteria just writing Trump can cause these days!!

A bit like writing City on Rawk!

I mentioned Trump a couple of times but I think I got away with it.

 

[rowarta]

interesting, FIFA state Chelsea refused permission to postpone transfer ban while they appeal punishment

 

[Newman Noggs]

I have a slight feeling we could come out of this as heroes having blown up this self serving cartel... We just got to get the message out there about how FFP helps the establishment clubs have an advantage

We're already heroes if only for exposing that these clubs with "history" are only where they because of their off-field manipulation of football finance for their own benefit.

All this protectionist nonsense disguised as FFP is increasingly throwing light on something everyone, aided and abetted by what someone, the other day described as "media doping", has preferred not to see. There's a reason all those ex-Liverpool and Rag players are sought-after pundits, I mean, Danny Higginbottom for fuck's sake.

If this goes to Court there is a wealth of material out there to show that FFP is a sham not least the Platini interview with Martin Samuel.

I think it will play out that UEFA investigate, find fuck all wrong, invent something and fine us. The rags, Bayern etc say, "right fuck you, we're forming our own footballing body".

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I agreed with your racism card earlier few pages back and now you are comparing a racist in your argument.

Stop digging. You failed to understand me citing of how various parts of the media can establish the narrative which appeals to their base.

I'm off to pick the kids up from school.

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[BlueAnorak]

Wasn't there an allegation that the small company who bought the image rights was set up with ADUG funding? The project Longbow thing. If that's true, then UEFA might view that as devious workaround involving undeclared owner investment. That might also spill into the Zuculini ownership links back to ADUG funding. To me, the picture currently painted looks properly dodgy.

I note that the Times piece talks of 'a CL campaign' being under threat. That is a lot more restrained than some chunterings. I can see this turning into a suspended ban, and some sanctions like last time - that's an escalation from the previous ban (saving face for UEFA), but not too bad.

I fully believe the City statement that the accounts are legal. I don't think that will be contested, beyond a difference in interpretation of related companies, as highlighted by PB. It doesn't sound as if the 'interpretation' issue will have legs to cause any significant punishment though - I thought the self-definition mentioned by PB was after the 2014 issue anyway - unless City wilfully ignored/went against the UEFA regs then. Based on what I've read, I suspect the latter is an irritation rather than a problem.

Project Longbow was spotted by UEFA and ruled out. The Inland Revenue subsequently made such schemes illegal.

 

[foggy1974]

We have kind of been here before in terms of reputation and the damage it can bring.

1905, I sure some of the older fans will remember.

However we survived.

But would you want half the team banned and going to united so they could win the league ala Billy Meredith.

 

[aguero93:20]

Ahh ok. I only caught the tail end but it sounded as though they are being treated differently to the Spanish clubs previously

Pretty sure they're only going through the FIFA appeal process (which is completely pointless as they've no review/appeals panel worthy of the name), while that part was ongoing with the Spanish clubs their bans remained in place, as the appeals were due to run their course before the first affected transfer window (same applies to Chelsea). Once the appeal runs it's course and Chelsea appeal to CAS, the ban will have to be suspended as so not to incur liabilities if the appeal is successful - ie if Chelsea are prevented from signing players for a window and CAS rescind the ban entirely, FIFA are in big trouble on the compensation front.

 

[Neville Kneville]

And forever will be, regardless of whether we come out of this unscathed from a sanctioning point of view. The whole narrative has already been established, to de-legitimise our achievements.

I posted a few pages ago: I'm wondering if UEFA will actually prefer it if they are prevented from seeing/using the emails.

Then we are guilty by rumour & they can shit on us with innuendo & whispers behind the scenes instead (as they already do).

 

[Sid C]

Pretty sure they're only going through the FIFA appeal process (which is completely pointless as they've no review/appeals panel worthy of the name), while that part was ongoing with the Spanish clubs their bans remained in place, as the appeals were due to run their course before the first affected transfer window (same applies to Chelsea). Once the appeal runs it's course and Chelsea appeal to CAS, the ban will have to be suspended as so not to incur liabilities if the appeal is successful - ie if Chelsea are prevented from signing players for a window and CAS rescind the ban entirely, FIFA are in big trouble on the compensation front.

Ok thanks. I thought they were changing the rules again for the ‘new money clubs’

 

[aguero93:20]

I mentioned Trump a couple of times but I think I got away with it.

It's been noted.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Neither am I, but it's amazing how much hysteria just writing Trump can cause these days!!

A bit like writing City on Rawk!

It's not that you mentioned Trump -- I get the comparison -- it's that you said, "You see it with Trump who, in essence, is actually not far from the truth when he labels stuff as Fake News" which is a bad take, whether you were being flippant or not.

I worked in MSM too and the blanket dismissal of its value by those MSM criticizes shouldn't be surprising. My problem is that dismissal is done so often by those too lazy, stupid or ignorant to read critically, expand their own sourcing and think for themselves. It's simply easier to say "it's all tosh" -- and it's especially easy when what you read in MSM doesn't comport with your worldview, whether fact or opinion.

So when you as a journalist imply an agenda so broad you suggest dismissing the MSM as a whole, it gets on my tits a little. Whether Trump or someone else is saying it, crying "Fake news!" IS far from the truth.

It's also a Brit/Yank thing -- some of the UK rags (as in papers) are quite astounding in their poor quality. But then you have some outstanding ones too.

 

[aguero93:20]

Ok thanks. I thought they were changing the rules again for the ‘new money clubs’

I'm sure they would if they could, but both UEFA and FIFA are wary of CAS and with good reason. If Chelsea could show CAS they were being treated significantly differently to other clubs, they'd win the appeal.

 

[waspish]

That cùnt Stone shouldn't be anywhere near our press conferences. Always looking for an angle, never asks anything tactical. Utter gutter press arsewipe. Ugly red fucker too.

Yep and sucks if ola in his oress conference.

 

[BlueAnorak]

UEFA want this to end up in the CAS. In the CAS illegally obtained documents can be used as evidence.

Can they? I dont think so.

 

[aguero93:20]

Can they? I dont think so.

Generally no, Switzerland hold to the same legal principle as other European countries in that legality cannot be enforced through illegality. CAS are a Swiss court. There are exceptions made but there's no reason that any should be made here that I'm aware of.