UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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remember arthur mann said:
Rick Parry ?!!!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ve-comprehensive-proof-allegations-financial/
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Honestly, could this clown look more Dipper...

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MeatHunterrr said:
Funny how this was never issue when Massimo Moratti funded Inter for couple of decades. Inter made €150m loss when they won the CL in 2010. Nothing said. Same with AC Milan and Berlusconi. Huge losses every year.
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I never forget this article from 2009. It’s completely laughable. There was not even an attempt to hide where FFP was born. Everyone should read this and remind ourselves that UEFA wanted to protect the cartel and stop City. This is all the evidence needed.

Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich has emerged as an unlikely ally to Uefa president Michel Platini's crack down on football clubs playing in Europe who spend beyond their means.
Speaking in Monaco ahead of yesterday's Champions League draw, Platini identified Abramovich and AC Milan's Silvio Berlucsoni as prime examples of club owners wanting rules to be implemented to control the rising inflation on transfer fees, wages and debt within football.

Platini said Abramovich's complaints stem from the spending habits of clubs like Manchester City who have spent £120 million in this transfer window alone compared to Chelsea's £23 million.

The Frenchman explained that under the 'financial fair play' mantra, clubs like City would be welcome to spend such large sums on the condition that it represents the same figure as what the club brings in from television rights, sponsorship deals and competition prize money.

Failure to break even he said, would result in clubs being expelled from European competition.

"It's mainly the owners that asked us to do something. Roman Abramovich, Silvio Berlusconi at AC Milan and Massimo Moratti at Inter," Platini said. "They do not want to fork out any more.
"Manchester City can spend £300m if they want to but if they are not breaking even in three years then they cannot play in European competition.

"I have met with Abramovich, who is a football person and passionate about the game. He said that we must do something about this.

"It doesn't matter if one team doesn't agree, because this is what the clubs want."


 
Club Financial Control Body Investigatory Chamber

The work of the Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) is underpinned by the Investigatory Chamber, led by the CFCB chief investigator for the monitoring and investigation stage of the proceedings.

The investigatory chamber consists of the CFCB chief investigator, who heads the CFCB investigatory chamber and takes the necessary measures to guarantee its proper functioning, and at least three other members, including a CFCB deputy chief investigator.

An investigation can be opened ex officio or upon request. The CFCB chief investigator establishes the facts and collects all relevant evidence. He leads the investigation proceedings himself or assigns this role to other member of the investigatory chamber.

At the end of the investigation, the CFCB chief investigator, after having consulted with the other members of the investigatory chamber, may decide to dismiss the case; conclude, with the consent of the defendant, a settlement agreement; or apply, with the consent of the defendant, disciplinary measures limited to a warning, a reprimand or a fine up to a maximum amount of €100,000; or refer the case to the Adjudicatory Chamber.

Chairman and Chief Investigator
Yves Leterme (Belgium)

Members
Jacobo Beltrán (Spain)
Egon Franck (Germany)
Petros Mavroidis (Greece)
Damien Neven (Belgium)
Richard Parry (England)
Konstantin Sonin (Russia)
Yves Wehrli (France)
 
The Colonel said:
I never forget this article from 2009. It’s completely laughable. There was not even an attempt to hide where FFP was born. Everyone should read this and remind ourselves that UEFA wanted to protect the cartel and stop City. This is all the evidence needed.

Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich has emerged as an unlikely ally to Uefa president Michel Platini's crack down on football clubs playing in Europe who spend beyond their means.
Speaking in Monaco ahead of yesterday's Champions League draw, Platini identified Abramovich and AC Milan's Silvio Berlucsoni as prime examples of club owners wanting rules to be implemented to control the rising inflation on transfer fees, wages and debt within football.

Platini said Abramovich's complaints stem from the spending habits of clubs like Manchester City who have spent £120 million in this transfer window alone compared to Chelsea's £23 million.

The Frenchman explained that under the 'financial fair play' mantra, clubs like City would be welcome to spend such large sums on the condition that it represents the same figure as what the club brings in from television rights, sponsorship deals and competition prize money.

Failure to break even he said, would result in clubs being expelled from European competition.

"It's mainly the owners that asked us to do something. Roman Abramovich, Silvio Berlusconi at AC Milan and Massimo Moratti at Inter," Platini said. "They do not want to fork out any more.
"Manchester City can spend £300m if they want to but if they are not breaking even in three years then they cannot play in European competition.

"I have met with Abramovich, who is a football person and passionate about the game. He said that we must do something about this.

"It doesn't matter if one team doesn't agree, because this is what the clubs want."
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Of course, this whole FFP thing has always be a sham.

The only regulation needed is to make sure every year that every club is able to sustain their spending, either with their commercial + sporting incomes or with a solid proof the owner will cover the bills.

With that, you don't need to make some biased investigation about what is market value or not, about who is giving the money etc.

All that matters is there is money.

If the owner shows an unability or unwillingness to pay, you sanction immediately. Simple.
 
jrb said:
Club Financial Control Body Investigatory Chamber

The work of the Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) is underpinned by the Investigatory Chamber, led by the CFCB chief investigator for the monitoring and investigation stage of the proceedings.

The investigatory chamber consists of the CFCB chief investigator, who heads the CFCB investigatory chamber and takes the necessary measures to guarantee its proper functioning, and at least three other members, including a CFCB deputy chief investigator.

An investigation can be opened ex officio or upon request. The CFCB chief investigator establishes the facts and collects all relevant evidence. He leads the investigation proceedings himself or assigns this role to other member of the investigatory chamber.

At the end of the investigation, the CFCB chief investigator, after having consulted with the other members of the investigatory chamber, may decide to dismiss the case; conclude, with the consent of the defendant, a settlement agreement; or apply, with the consent of the defendant, disciplinary measures limited to a warning, a reprimand or a fine up to a maximum amount of €100,000; or refer the case to the Adjudicatory Chamber.

Chairman and Chief Investigator
Yves Leterme (Belgium)

Members
Jacobo Beltrán (Spain)
Egon Franck (Germany)
Petros Mavroidis (Greece)
Damien Neven (Belgium)
Richard Parry (England)
Konstantin Sonin (Russia)
Yves Wehrli (France)
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I know people are keen to jump on the rick parry thing, but I don't think it will matter ultimately. Unless the judiciary panel of CAS is full of Liverpool ex-pros then this is going to be decided based on facts, heard by the courts.

That is why the club has so bullishly said they have incontrovertible proof of no wrong-doing, because they know where the lines of UEFA jurisdiction begin and end, and as long as the money came from Etihad, the sponsor which UEFA has approved, there's fuck all they can do about where it came from before that.

One bitter scouser isn't going to change that.
 
kippax4ever said:
New York Times confirmed as second largest shareholder in Liverpool football club
The New York Times Company, America’s most distinguished newspaper group, has emerged as the second-largest shareholder in Liverpool FC, according to new disclosures from the club’s owner, Fenway Sports Group.
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Sign of the times: The New York Times Company has emerged as the second-largest shareholder in Liverpool FC Photo: REUTERS


By Paul Kelso

10:30PM BST 12 Apr 2011


John W Henry has revealed precious little detail about the ownership structure since he took control last October, but Premier League rules have required him to reveal that he and the Times group are the two most significant shareholders in FSG, which owns Liverpool and the Boston Red Sox.

The newspaper publisher, a publicly-listed company in the US, was known to be an investor in FSG, formerly New England Sports Ventures, but the size of its stake in the company and Liverpool was not previously clear.

When LeBron James secured a minuscule stake in FSG last week it attracted global interest, but the basketball star’s cosmetic involvement obscured this far more significant revelation.

Henry had initially declared only that he and club chairman Tom Werner shared 50 per cent of the voting rights in Liverpool, but has had to update the declaration of interest after the Premier League pointed out that it did not tally with its information.

The League requires clubs to declare all owners with more than 10 per cent, prompting a revised declaration on the club’s website. It reveals that Henry and the Times group are the only investors with more than 10 per cent of FSG, though Henry is understood to be the largest single shareholder.

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The statement also says that Werner is one of “a range of investors” in FSG.

The statement reads: “The economic interest in this company is held by a range of investors, including Tom Werner. Those holding more than a 10 per cent interest are John Henry and the New York Times Company (which is quoted on the New York Stock Exchange). John Henry and Tom Werner are generally responsible for the management of Fenway Sports Group.”
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OFFS !!!
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The Colonel said:
I never forget this article from 2009. It’s completely laughable. There was not even an attempt to hide where FFP was born. Everyone should read this and remind ourselves that UEFA wanted to protect the cartel and stop City. This is all the evidence needed.

Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich has emerged as an unlikely ally to Uefa president Michel Platini's crack down on football clubs playing in Europe who spend beyond their means.
Speaking in Monaco ahead of yesterday's Champions League draw, Platini identified Abramovich and AC Milan's Silvio Berlucsoni as prime examples of club owners wanting rules to be implemented to control the rising inflation on transfer fees, wages and debt within football.

Platini said Abramovich's complaints stem from the spending habits of clubs like Manchester City who have spent £120 million in this transfer window alone compared to Chelsea's £23 million.

The Frenchman explained that under the 'financial fair play' mantra, clubs like City would be welcome to spend such large sums on the condition that it represents the same figure as what the club brings in from television rights, sponsorship deals and competition prize money.

Failure to break even he said, would result in clubs being expelled from European competition.

"It's mainly the owners that asked us to do something. Roman Abramovich, Silvio Berlusconi at AC Milan and Massimo Moratti at Inter," Platini said. "They do not want to fork out any more.
"Manchester City can spend £300m if they want to but if they are not breaking even in three years then they cannot play in European competition.

"I have met with Abramovich, who is a football person and passionate about the game. He said that we must do something about this.

"It doesn't matter if one team doesn't agree, because this is what the clubs want."
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Berlusconi helping UEFA??? Holy fucking shitballs. That is just hilarious.
 
jrb said:
Oakiecokie confirmed as second largest shareholder in Liverpool football club.

And the MUEN.
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If I see another fucking idiot print another fucking piece about The Dippers and NYT I will not be liable for my outcome to sad said bastard.
Now you leave the MEN out of this.At least SB has been putting his tuppence worth in,on our behalf. ;)
 
domalino said:
I know people are keen to jump on the rick parry thing, but I don't think it will matter ultimately. Unless the judiciary panel of CAS is full of Liverpool ex-pros then this is going to be decided based on facts, heard by the courts.

That is why the club has so bullishly said they have incontrovertible proof of no wrong-doing, because they know where the lines of UEFA jurisdiction begin and end, and as long as the money came from Etihad, the sponsor which UEFA has approved, there's fuck all they can do about where it came from before that.

One bitter scouser isn't going to change that.
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Might not compromise the final outcome but It's unethical to have an ex Dipper passing judgement on a rival club.
 
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