UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[nmc]

So is this shit or bust for FFP?

Probably the latest in a long line of ever increasing panic measures dreamt up by a more and more paranoid elite. This won’t end here - the sorts of people we are dealing with don’t live in a stable reality or accept facts. They have convinced themselves of their ‘god given right’ and will fight until they are utterly destroyed defending their ivory towers!

 

[dario2739]

I think it's just used as shorthand for the cartel clubs.

Yep - they still exist, just under a different guise... they all have representation in high places that look after their "interests" – it's no accident PSG got their own insider, City need one too, then this bollocks would stop!

 

[inchy14]

Serious? You have complaints about the Neymar ban and you believe that refereeing is the reason for your club's comical Champions League record?

Then you complain about an investigation where you were let off on a "technicality" .

Are you really surprised supporters of conventional clubs don't take you seriously? I stress conventional because it's not only the elite that looks down on PSG. It's also the ordinary rank and file clubs in France.

What the fuck is a conventional club? One where it bullies all other clubs in its league to give up its best players at low prices or if they refuse, get those players to see out their contracts and leave on a free?

Fucking conventional, fuck off with you sanctimonious bullshit.

 

[SWP's back]

So is this shit or bust for FFP?

No, nothing like that.

 

[BlueAnorak]

This ^^^^^ and their press leak talks of conflicting answers ! I think a court will no doubt want to know how they sought to address the conflict before making a decision! Look forward to hearing how they did this without talking to City.

Quite. I didn't make that clear in my response, but your bang on. It's so amateur on UEFA's part it's untrue. I can only conclude UEFA want this Kangeroo Court exercise to crash and burn.

 

[Henkeman]

What the fuck is a conventional club? One where it bullies all other clubs in its league to give up its best players at low prices or if they refuse, get those players to see out their contracts and leave on a free?

Fucking conventional, fuck off with you sanctimonious bullshit.

Conventional clubs are those who fix the finances of a league to suit themselves, fix the finances and structure of competitions to make sure they're in it and get huge amounts of dosh, and then conventionally fix the rules to try to prevent anyone else being a part of it, while saying they've earned it all.

 

[Marvin]

So is this shit or bust for FFP?

CAS wont be ruling on FFP, more UEFA's application of its own rules and the investigatory process, but if The fish that the net was designed to catch escapes, then the process will become even more discredited, and will probably be overhauled and replaced with FFP2

 

[hello]

I wonder what has happened for City to trigger this now? May not be anything specific

Neutrals might just think that City knew that UEFA were about to sanction City, and have decided to pre-empt bad news and make it look like we are in control.

How so? The CFCB IC clearly breached a number of their own rules in referring it to the AC, CAS is to ensure due process was followed in the first instance and that any sanctions are deemed fair in the 2nd. If the CFCB failed to follow their own due process as documented by UEFA and posted on here if your interested, why the fuck would city consider a neutral perspective when they and I expect shit hot legal eagles feel there tangible evidence the IC breached due process? The article 10 breach is beyond repute by the way and documented by the NYT. The article 13 stuff is not wholly in the public domain but there is clearly enough circumstantial evidence to indicate numerous CFCB IC breaches here as well. City's appeal to CAS on the basis of the IC not following process if upheld revokes the article 17 escalation to the AC and shows the IC alleged investigation to be a sham. It has sod all to do with giving a portrayal of being in control to a neutral.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Are you really surprised supporters of conventional clubs don't take you seriously? I stress conventional because it's not only the elite that looks down on PSG. It's also the ordinary rank and file clubs in France.

Is bribing your way into the top flight one of these conventions you speak of?

 

[chemicalboy99]

Conventional clubs are those who fix matches

I concur.

 

[Len Rum]

Conventional clubs are those who fix the finances of a league to suit themselves, fix the finances and structure of competitions to make sure they're in it and get huge amounts of dosh, and then conventionally fix the rules to try to prevent anyone else being a part of it, while saying they've earned it all.

Spot on.
Absolutely nailed it.

 

[Marvin]

How so? The CFCB IC clearly breached a number of their own rules in referring it to the AC, CAS is to ensure due process was followed in the first instance and that any sanctions are deemed fair in the 2nd. If the CFCB failed to follow their own due process as documented by UEFA and posted on here if your interested, why the fuck would city consider a neutral perspective when they and I expect shit hot legal eagles feel there tangible evidence the IC breached due process? The article 10 breach is beyond repute by the way and documented by the NYT. The article 13 stuff is not wholly in the public domain but there is clearly enough circumstantial evidence to indicate numerous CFCB IC breaches here as well. City's appeal to CAS on the basis of the IC not following process if upheld revokes the article 17 escalation to the AC and shows the IC alleged investigation to be a sham. It has sod all to do with giving a portrayal of being in control to a neutral.

I referred to perception of the news not the underlying issues.

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

Is bribing your way into the top flight one of these conventions you speak of?

I think the money they used to bribe was earned 'organically', so I think its OK.

 

[Ban-jani]

I think the money they used to bribe was earned 'organically', so I think its OK.

They got it selling veg from their local allotment.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

This is getting very reminiscent of the Barrack Room Lawyers thread.

I think all you can glean from it so far is that if we win our case then that is great and if we don’t our owner won’t be slinking off licking his wounds but will intensify his investment in the club.

 

[Parisian]

Serious? You have complaints about the Neymar ban and you believe that refereeing is the reason for your club's comical Champions League record?

Then you complain about an investigation where you were let off on a "technicality" .

Are you really surprised supporters of conventional clubs don't take you seriously? I stress conventional because it's not only the elite that looks down on PSG. It's also the ordinary rank and file clubs in France.

I have no complaint about Neymar ban. Aurier was banned some years before for the same stuff. Think three games is excessive but it is their rule, so... What i'm saying is, if Nasser was so powerful to call the shot to get City ban as the other guy is suggesting, it would be easy not to get Neymar banned (because he didn't say it himself live, it is just written on social media and he can say it is his CM posting this message).

Yes, i have complaints about referreing. Have you not seen the comical performance from that ref against Barcelona ? Sure, PSG played badly and cowardly but at the end they went out 6 to 5 on aggregate. With a not so biaised referee, Barcelona was out, no one can say otherwise. The year after that, Real Madrid equalized in the first leg on a very easily spotted offside penalty. Then Ramos did one clear handball on a Rabiot shot, nothing given. This is the type of things that change a tie. At the end of the game, PSG crumbled and conceded 2 late goals. Real Madrid was better overall and deserved to go through but the refereeing was not good. Against Naples, the referee was terrible, really terrible and biased against PSG. Didn't award a stonewall penalty while being 3 meters away. Wasn't whistling any foul on Neymar either, was farcical. Still PSG got out of group stage so it is ok. I have nothing to say about MU confrontation. With VAR, they give that type of penalty against Kimpembe or against Sissoko in final.

About the investigation, PSG has been cleared ! They won on a technicality when UEFA tried another trick to reopen a 1 year investigation. How much more time do they need to investigate to find a fault ?

All i'm saying here is that, for a club supposedly rigging the game with UEFA blessing, PSG does get some tough love. But, i'm sure it is all a plan from Nasser to create the biggest plot twist ever.

 

[Parisian]

Wasted your breath.

Don't worry, i have noticed him in the Sané thread.

Just want to give him some cold hard facts and see how he comes back from that if he really tries to be honest. I give the benefit of the doubt to anyone.

 

[DrBlueBob]

A quick kiss and a cuddle on the back row of the cinema, and that's my final offer.

I'm in like Flynn.

 

[hello]

Serious? You have complaints about the Neymar ban and you believe that refereeing is the reason for your club's comical Champions League record?

Then you complain about an investigation where you were let off on a "technicality" .

Are you really surprised supporters of conventional clubs don't take you seriously? I stress conventional because it's not only the elite that looks down on PSG. It's also the ordinary rank and file clubs in France.

Fuck me the ignorance of you kraut rags is is up there with the scousers on the delusional stakes.

Neymer is banned for telling the truth the rags decision was a fucking joke, but that isnt allowed so the ban is probably justified on that basis.

The technicality was a clear breach of uefa's own fucking rules which the twats on your board probably helped write and subsequently fuck up in the desperation to revisit old ground again.

PSG were the top ranked club in Europe in the mid 90s, the last time you were was the mid 80s when the English teams were banned.

You consider yourself elite, everyone else in Germany considers you a bunch of arrogant egotistical twunts.

 

[cleavers]

Just want to give him some cold hard facts and see how he comes back from that if he really tries to be honest. I give the benefit of the doubt to anyone.

He won't be "coming back".