UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Saddleworth2]

City are not stupid they went to CAS knowingly that they couldnt get involved to UEFA officially charged us but what it did was give UEFA a foresight into what to expect if the ban us , a long drawn out legal battle that only City have the money to pursue to the hilt @

I think the club got that right on two different levels. They get CAS warmed up and in the right mindset for any subsequent appeal. They make it clear to Uefa that we aint going to take any more shit and we have a lot of mud to sling.

 

[hello]

Thats unfair, you are unaware as to how hard she does work. Do you think that she would still be in a job, in fact promoted, if she didn't do any work?

To be fair everyone is aware that our PR management is shit which is why every opinion of casual or non football fans is that city are cheating twunts, and that hasn't been addressed in the slightest in over a decade so that to me says shes either lazy or incompetent, so inferring lazy was actually a kindness on my part ;-)

 

[lancs blue]

City are not stupid they went to CAS knowingly that they couldnt get involved to UEFA officially charged us but what it did was give UEFA a foresight into what to expect if the ban us , a long drawn out legal battle that only City have the money to pursue to the hilt @

Also I think it was a kind of pre-emptive strike to force UEFA to have their methods scrutinised by CAS in advance of any future appeal against sanctions.

 

[Newman Noggs]

Also I think it was a kind of pre-emptive strike to force UEFA to have their methods scrutinised by CAS in advance of any future appeal against sanctions.

And to ensure that no further documents could be manufactured after July 19.

 

[maurizio]

I really don't understand how they came to the conclusion that we have committed an offence serious enough to reopen the case and have us banned. The UEFA leaks (just after we won the league) implied that we had misled the original investigations and our owner had been secretly supplying large amounts of money. That can't be through the Etisalat and Aarbaar, IIRC sponsorships, they must mean the Etihad deal. But that's fair value and part of the settlement. It seems as though the Abu Dhabi Executive Council underwriting the Etihad deal is the problem. One of our directors discussing how to fund the sponsorship according to the email in Der Spiegel. But even if that email is legit, it was accepted as fair value so we didn't need to declare it a related party, so we didn't mislead?

 

[CC1]

To be fair everyone is aware that our PR management is shit which is why every opinion of casual or non football fans is that city are cheating twunts, and that hasn't been addressed in the slightest in over a decade so that to me says shes either lazy or incompetent, so inferring lazy was actually a kindness on my part ;-)

this whole issue seems to have been kept under wraps. Probably for reasons over your head - unless you are a PR guru in the know about all City related issues. I’m also sure she takes her instructions from the board rather than the “knowFA” fans.

 

[Marvin]

I really don't understand how they came to the conclusion that we have committed an offence serious enough to reopen the case and have us banned. The UEFA leaks (just after we won the league) implied that we had misled the original investigations and our owner had been secretly supplying large amounts of money. That can't be through the Etisalat and Aarbaar, IIRC sponsorships, they must mean the Etihad deal. But that's fair value and part of the settlement. It seems as though the Abu Dhabi Executive Council underwriting the Etihad deal is the problem. One of our directors discussing how to fund the sponsorship according to the email in Der Spiegel. But even if that email is legit, it was accepted as fair value so we didn't need to declare it a related party, so we didn't mislead?

This is the nature of legal disputes. Claims and counter claims. But is the process fair, the reporting certainly isn't. They just repeat the allegations, they never view the argument from City's angle which is what we do.

 

[ancoats]

i still feel that the liverpool hacker thing tapping into our account and scouting reports have a big deal on both uefa and them ?? a hacker leaked the story about emails having details of city paying money into another accounts ??? its funny how the liverpool hacker was found out ?? and why did we (city) settle out of court ? because the book would have been thrown at liverpool and big troubles in what they did even, it could even end up with demotion to a lower league with breaking rules

liverpool have so much power in euerope and with uefa board so maybe a deal was struck and its why we settled out of court

 

[lancs blue]

this whole issue seems to have been kept under wraps. Probably for reasons over your head - unless you are a PR guru in the know about all City related issues. I’m also sure she takes her instructions from the board rather than the “knowFA” fans.

Yes I'm sure any suggested action that Vicki Kloss recommends regarding the media would need to be authorised higher up the management ladder.

 

[ZanteWeatherman]

From Yves Leterme's wiki page.

Yves Leterme is known to be very fond of Goats.

Two of his favourite Goats are named Trudy and Vicky.

Make of that what you will.

o-hee-hoh ma leedl cheekens

 

[CharliesRightPeg]

McGeehan works for the Washington based Human Rights Watch.

The refugees he claims to speak for might have something to say about Washington DC.

No he doesn't, he left that post a number of years ago and set up his own consulting company

 

[Honey Monster Dunne]

I had thought that by now, after the achievements of the last two years and the sheer beauty of the football we play, we would be an accepted and respected part of the elite by now but that clearly isn't happening. The only way for us to gain acceptance by the governing bodies and by the media in this country is to use brutal force and litigate the fuck out of anyone that steps over the line and bans individual journalists that are incapable of demonstrating balance in their reporting of us. Being nice has not worked for the last ten years and it sure as god isn't going to start working now.

Much like our owners then

 

[CharliesRightPeg]

Nick McGeehan here, folks, claiming that the 'CAS ... says [MCFC] approach "artificial and misleading" and "legally wrong"' when that text appears in para 51 of the CAS judgment clearly qualified by the staement that "The submissions of UEFA ... may be summarised as follows".

So, in representing UEFA's submissions as the impartial view of the CAS, is he simply mistaken, or being disingenuous, or being intellectually dishonest? I know what I think.

Nick is a bit of a git tbh
He's constantly referred to as an expert but hes been schooled by multiple people including world renowned lawyers over the human rights in UAE.
He's created his own company and is attacking City as often as he can, then being used as a quote for hire by anti City journalists who wish to attack the club, fanbase and country as a whole.
These same journalists then don't view their own links to dodgy organisations as troublesome nor their connections to dubious people

 

[blueinsa]

Nick is a bit of a git tbh
He's constantly referred to as an expert but hes been schooled by multiple people including world renowned lawyers over the human rights in UAE.
He's created his own company and is attacking City as often as he can, then being used as a quote for hire by anti City journalists who wish to attack the club, fanbase and country as a whole.
These same journalists then don't view their own links to dodgy organisations as troublesome nor their connections to dubious people

Attacking ikkle old City seems to have become a business and infatuation for a few.

 

[waspish]

Nick is a bit of a git tbh
He's constantly referred to as an expert but hes been schooled by multiple people including world renowned lawyers over the human rights in UAE.
He's created his own company and is attacking City as often as he can, then being used as a quote for hire by anti City journalists who wish to attack the club, fanbase and country as a whole.
These same journalists then don't view their own links to dodgy organisations as troublesome nor their connections to dubious people

Bet he get a nice monthly payment into his account

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Well that was hard going, managed to read the entire document.

There are worrying elements for both sides of the stand off?

City's supporting evidence has clearly had little bearing in terms of what the Football Leaks hacking had released into the public domain.

The CAS document is essentially a very expensive and detailed way of saying City have put the cart before the horse (which we pretty much knew, anyhow)

Worrying caveats include UEFA getting off the hook if they do suddenly unearth an individual within their ranks who leaked information, yet would in no way prohibit the AC's findings and sanctions?

CAS suggesting the press may have been speculating, rather the direct leaks from UEFA.

 

[Bandofblues]

Yup, UEFA have committed two of the worst breaches of professional standards in conducting investigations. 1) breach of confidentiality and 2) failure to disclose.

A word of warning, though, Courts are a law unto themselves. I've seen cases where one side or the other has had real bollockings from the judge both before and during the trial but still got a succesful verdict. This case hasn't reached Court yet and whether it ever does now depends on UEFA's decision. Clearly, if it does decide to punish us, the matter will go to Court and, then, as I say, nothing is a forgone conclusion.

Bear in mind, also, that what we've seen so far alludes only to the shambolic investigation process. If that is a reflection of the whole, I should imagine that the"evidence" against us is equally questionable and the appeal would be extended to additional matters since, as part of the judgement, it would be available as evidence in our appeal against the decision.

In short, in my opinion, this particular can of worms has a whole lot more worms in it than we have seen so far.

There's the rub.
UEFA started an investigation, they didn't conclude that investigation, they relied on hacked emails and press reports taken out of context, they didn't pass information to City and therefore didn't allow City to present any evidence or rebuttal, they kicked the issue upstairs to avoid missing the statute limitations, they only presented a "scope" document because they couldn't provide an investigation report as the investigation wasn't complete, they're questioning the published accounts of major companies, they've exceeded their own powers by reopening a case that was settled in full, they've exceeded their own power by investigating beyond the current FFP reporting period, they've exceeded their own powers by passing an unfinished investigation to the adjudicatory chamber, they have seemingly deliberately leaked data on multiple occasions including after City had asked them to cease doing so.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Well that was hard going, managed to read the entire document.

There are worrying elements for both sides of the stand off?

City's supporting evidence has clearly had little bearing in terms of what the Football Leaks hacking had released into the public domain.

The CAS document is essentially a very expensive and detailed way of saying City have put the cart before the horse (which we pretty much knew, anyhow)

Worrying caveats include UEFA getting off the hook if they do suddenly unearth an individual within their ranks who leaked information, yet would in no way prohibit the AC's findings and sanctions?

CAS suggesting the press may have been speculating, rather the direct leaks from UEFA.

 

[oakiecokie]

Have the Auditors ever made a public statement? I've never seen one so far but they have been referenced quite a bit lately within negative articles. I know people in the finance industry and one thing you never ever do is try to make out that an auditor is in some way complicit in anything remotely dodgy, their licensing alone wouldn't be worth it and to be honest it wouldn't suprise me if they also go after UEFA if they are accused of doing anything untoward.

Thats a very good point Si and I suspect one reason that UEFA are probably shitting themselves over.

 

[Bandofblues]

City's supporting evidence has clearly had little bearing in terms of what the Football Leaks hacking had released into the public domain.

How do you know that?

City's evidence was only provided after the case had been passed upwards and allowed then because UEFA hadn't followed due process in providing the "scope" of the investigation, let alone the actual findings to City, or letting City properly respond per due process before they did so.
At the moment everything CAS has done is procedural, CAS have not and will not make any determination of any actual evidence themselves until UEFA present a decision and then only if City appeal further.
The fact that CAS allowed City to include that evidence in the case file is actually a blow against UEFA as normally any such additional submission wouldn't be allowed.
Also adding that fact that CAS has effectively publicly rebuked UEFA for the leaks by describing them as "worrying" - as I said earlier its diplomatic speech and in that regard is a fairly strong criticism.
In short UEFA have completely fucked up the process and the ball is in their court now whether to press ahead or back down - neither of which look like an easy route for them.