UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[oakiecokie]

this whole issue seems to have been kept under wraps. Probably for reasons over your head - unless you are a PR guru in the know about all City related issues. I’m also sure she takes her instructions from the board rather than the “knowFA” fans.

Spot on CC1.Even Khaldoon when asked by Chris ? during his yearly interviews stated that the Club would NOT engage in "war" with journalists.We have no idea as to who tells VK what she should or should not be doing.But I can guess ... Khaldoon via HH.

 

[KS55]

I really don't understand how they came to the conclusion that we have committed an offence serious enough to reopen the case and have us banned. The UEFA leaks (just after we won the league) implied that we had misled the original investigations and our owner had been secretly supplying large amounts of money. That can't be through the Etisalat and Aarbaar, IIRC sponsorships, they must mean the Etihad deal. But that's fair value and part of the settlement. It seems as though the Abu Dhabi Executive Council underwriting the Etihad deal is the problem. One of our directors discussing how to fund the sponsorship according to the email in Der Spiegel. But even if that email is legit, it was accepted as fair value so we didn't need to declare it a related party, so we didn't mislead?

Recapitalization of Etihad Airways by ADEC is no business of EUFA, or City for that matter. The source of a sponsor's funds, unless it is the owners funds disguised is irrelevant. Etihad payed the full sponsorship from their own resources. The action ADEC took when Etihad had financial problems is, I think a matter of public record.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

He’s sinking as low as Castles. Utter jerk.

Just a fake news merchant

 

[oakiecokie]

Fucking hell he`s quicker than Jo !!!

 

[KS55]

Spot on CC1.Even Khaldoon when asked by Chris ? during his yearly interviews stated that the Club would NOT engage in "war" with journalists.We have no idea as to who tells VK what she should or should not be doing.But I can guess ... Khaldoon via HH.

In a matter of this importance every PR Pro would consult senior management and would not respond willy nilly.

 

[KS55]

Attacking ikkle old City seems to have become a business and infatuation for a few.

What a lot of fuss over such a small club!

 

[KS55]

There's the rub.
UEFA started an investigation, they didn't conclude that investigation, they relied on hacked emails and press reports taken out of context, they didn't pass information to City and therefore didn't allow City to present any evidence or rebuttal, they kicked the issue upstairs to avoid missing the statute limitations, they only presented a "scope" document because they couldn't provide an investigation report as the investigation wasn't complete, they're questioning the published accounts of major companies, they've exceeded their own powers by reopening a case that was settled in full, they've exceeded their own power by investigating beyond the current FFP reporting period, they've exceeded their own powers by passing an unfinished investigation to the adjudicatory chamber, they have seemingly deliberately leaked data on multiple occasions including after City had asked them to cease doing so.

Huh, is that all? Small potatoes.

 

[nmc]

Recapitalization of Etihad Airways by ADEC is no business of EUFA, or City for that matter. The source of a sponsor's funds, unless it is the owners funds disguised is irrelevant. Etihad payed the full sponsorship from their own resources. The action ADEC took when Etihad had financial problems is, I think a matter of public record.

Precisely... didn’t the US government pour funds into GM to protect it from bankruptcy? Shouldn’t the media and UEFA be looking at how the US government funded Man United’s Chevrolet sponsorship. The whole affair is a joke and I just hope we will get to see the whole thing laid bare. I think Munich, Barcelona, The Rags and Dippers all have a finger in this pie. I just hope they all get their hands very badly burned.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I think the club got that right on two different levels. They get CAS warmed up and in the right mindset for any subsequent appeal. They make it clear to Uefa that we aint going to take any more shit and we have a lot of mud to sling.

It was a great tactical move by City's legal team. Essentially a pre-emptive strike. In fact Le Terme's abrasive comments, now publicised in the CAS documents, suggests UEFA have not even bothered to investigate the allegations of leaks from their own investigation. This compounds their predicament and is more legal ammunition for City.

 

[Centurions]

It was a great tactical move by City's legal team. Essentially a pre-emptive strike. In fact Le Terme's abrasive comments, now publicised in the CAS documents, suggests UEFA have not even bothered to investigate the allegations of leaks from their own investigation. This compounds their predicament and is more legal ammunition for City.

It's almost as if City do know what they're doing after all, given some of the posts on here that's going to come as a surprise to their detractors.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Well that was hard going, managed to read the entire document.

There are worrying elements for both sides of the stand off?

City's supporting evidence has clearly had little bearing in terms of what the Football Leaks hacking had released into the public domain.

The CAS document is essentially a very expensive and detailed way of saying City have put the cart before the horse (which we pretty much knew, anyhow)

Worrying caveats include UEFA getting off the hook if they do suddenly unearth an individual within their ranks who leaked information, yet would in no way prohibit the AC's findings and sanctions?

CAS suggesting the press may have been speculating, rather the direct leaks from UEFA.

I am sure the leaks were probably indirect. Someone on the investigating committee spoke to someone high up at one of our commercial rivals and they spoke to someone down their food chain (probably in their Comms team) who passed it on to the New York Times and the Times. No footprints will be left anywhere.

 

[KS55]

It was a great tactical move by City's legal team. Essentially a pre-emptive strike. In fact Le Terme's abrasive comments, now publicised in the CAS documents, suggests UEFA have not even bothered to investigate the allegations of leaks from their own investigation. This compounds their predicament and is more legal ammunition for City.

Yes. I see this as a big win for City. Although the appeal was lost on a technicality, CAS have made their displeasure with UEFA clear. If we are found guilty and appeal, duck the ton of bricks coming UEFA's way.
The anti City tweeters (the usual suspects) have told lies about the judgement, which illustrates their motives. Don't they realise the documents are public? Calling Rabin....get them.

 

[nmc]

It was a great tactical move by City's legal team. Essentially a pre-emptive strike. In fact Le Terme's abrasive comments, now publicised in the CAS documents, suggests UEFA have not even bothered to investigate the allegations of leaks from their own investigation. This compounds their predicament and is more legal ammunition for City.

Although they have shunted that wanker Parry off into the sidings. I wonder why. New York based Liverpool fan, stories being leaked to a NY newspaper formally owned by Liverpool’s owner. Hmmmmm

 

[petrusha]

Nick McGeehan here, folks, claiming that the 'CAS ... says [MCFC] approach "artificial and misleading" and "legally wrong"' when that text appears in para 51 of the CAS judgment clearly qualified by the staement that "The submissions of UEFA ... may be summarised as follows".

So, in representing UEFA's submissions as the impartial view of the CAS, is he simply mistaken, or being disingenuous, or being intellectually dishonest? I know what I think.

And now here's Knickerless* responding rather gracelessly having had Rabin point out to him the error of his ways:



For someone who's always bragging about being a reseracher with a PhD, he sometimes comes across as ... well, not all that bright. Unless, of course, he's just a liar. Or, of course, a bit of both.

* - I'm not normally a one for these juvenile misspellings or corruptions of names in the interests of 'banter', but I'll make an exception for this contemptible twat.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Ha! Tumbleweeds like you see in the westerns.

My dad went to school in Leeds with one of the Tumbleweeds. True story.

Nothing to grumble about!

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

It's almost as if City do know what they're doing after all, given some of the posts on here that's going to come as a surprise to their detractors.

To be fair I think there is a difference betwen the way we handle legal issues and the way we manage our reputation as a club. We have suffered a lot of reputational damage over recent years and some of it could have been avoided. Our hands are tied on what we can say publically on the UEFA probe but there are a lot of other things we can do to improve the way we are covered in the media and perceived by other football fans.

 

[ZanteWeatherman]

yes unfair .should be "constructive work" because it appears she or her department have done f*ck all , they welcome the low lifes that rubbish our football club to every home game and hand them tea and biscuits , she's absolutely toothless.

I now believe she is doing exactly as her paymasters are telling her to do. Don't go gung-ho off your own bat throwing shit at all and sundry. Leave it to the legal teams to decide what to do and when to do it.

 

[lancs blue]

Worrying caveats include UEFA getting off the hook if they do suddenly unearth an individual within their ranks who leaked information, yet would in no way prohibit the AC's findings and sanctions?

I'm not sure I agree with that assessment, sections 109 and 112 of the CAS document could both be interpreted as CAS warning the AC to properly investigate what went on in the IC with the inference that failure to do so satisfactorily would impact any subsequent appeal to CAS by City if sanctions are imposed by the AC.

109. Although the Panel does not exclude the possibility that one or more of MCFC’s rights in the proceedings before the Investigatory Chamber may not have been fully respected, the Panel has confidence that, if such procedural violations were held to exist, the Adjudicatory Chamber will right such wrongs and/or take such alleged violations into account in its decision, and if it does not, MCFC has the possibility of appealing the Adjudicatory Chamber’s final decision to CAS.

112. However, this finding by the Panel also implies that the Adjudicatory Chamber will seriously address and assess MCFC’s procedural complaints as promised by UEFA in its submissions before this Panel in these CAS proceedings. In any event, such alleged procedural deficiencies will be reviewable in the context of an admissible appeal to CAS against a decision of the Adjudicatory Chamber.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Although they have shunted that wanker Parry off into the sidings. I wonder why. New York based Liverpool fan, stories being leaked to a NY newspaper formally owned by Liverpool’s owner. Hmmmmm

I think he still based in Cheshire and keeps very close to his contacts in the North West! That said he has fingers in many pies, especially in the Middle East.

https://www.deepbridgecapital.com/our-people/rick-parry

 

[KS55]

And now here's Knickerless* responding rather gracelessly having had Rabin point out to him the error of his ways:



For someone who's always bragging about being a reseracher with a PhD, he sometimes comes across as ... well, not all that bright. Unless, of course, he's just a liar. Or, of course, a bit of both.

* - I'm not normally a one for these juvenile misspellings or corruptions of names in the interests of 'banter', but I'll make an exception for this contemptible twat.

He is just a liar. Remember that video of Emiratis being bashed up? McGeehan posted it as the work of "the men behind Manchester City". Well, nobody in the video was anything to do with City, so McGeehan said Mansour was not our owner, but just a front for others, including the bashers.