UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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Chi-town blues said:
All I want to know is did city breach any fuck law or not ?
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Then you are asking the wrong question. I don’t give a fuck if we did or didn’t.

Firstly, we probably did but it should be impossible to prove without illegally obtained evidence. Therefore no case.

Secondly, Shiekh Mansour took over in 2008. The UEFA laws we are accused of breaking cam into being in 2009! Go figure! Those laws were put there for us to break.

Bottom line, I don’t give a fuck if we broke their protectionist rules.
 
SilverFox2 said:
Possibly the main agitator s indicating they had put the fix in regarding choice of CAS members so no risk.
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No *initial* risk.

But, if that was the instigation, it was based on a very poor assessment of City’s likely response and was, overall, a monumentally stupid strategy.
 
BJL_City said:
I have sincere doubts that we have enough evidence to change the outcome.

The only hope for me is a Spotlight situation where we've given enough to UEFA to justify our stance, but have enough material that we're sat on that we can release at the most opportune moment in something like a legal setting, where it has to be publicly reported objectively.
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Stefan on the 9320 podcast made the good point that I'll paraphrase, that UEFA have fucked up before on some really basic things, like the Galatasaray and PSG rulings being thrown out because they were outside of the time limitations, and that there's no way the massively experienced and qualified lawyers and judges didn't know that when they made their judgements, so there must be a political angle to making the rulings knowing they'll be struck down by CAS.

So we are clearly far beyond simple innocent/guilty and just because they've punished us doesn't mean they have a solid case.
 
Graeme Souness said:
Then you are asking the wrong question. I don’t give a fuck if we did or didn’t.

Firstly, we probably did but it should be impossible to prove without illegally obtained evidence. Therefore no case.

Secondly, Shiekh Mansour took over in 2008. The UEFA laws we are accused of breaking cam into being in 2009! Go figure! Those laws were put there for us to break.

Bottom line, I don’t give a fuck if we broke their protectionist rules.
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If they don’t have any firm case than city should take them to court and fuck then inside out . I want super cup .
 
BJL_City said:
I have sincere doubts that we have enough evidence to change the outcome.

The only hope for me is a Spotlight situation where we've given enough to UEFA to justify our stance, but have enough material that we're sat on that we can release at the most opportune moment in something like a legal setting, where it has to be publicly reported objectively.
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That scenario is what many of us believe was/is City’s strategy.

I think we thought they *might* do this if put under enough pressure and so were preparing for the eventuality, just in case.
 
BJL_City said:
I have sincere doubts that we have enough evidence to change the outcome.

The only hope for me is a Spotlight situation where we've given enough to UEFA to justify our stance, but have enough material that we're sat on that we can release at the most opportune moment in something like a legal setting, where it has to be publicly reported objectively.
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I think it’s the other way around UEFA have little evidence to present to an independent authority that’s one reason they won’t publish anything before CAS’s final decision not even leaking anything It’s also clear that they were seeking for City to take a pinch
There’s war going on internally at UEFA and we are unfortunate victims
 
According to the Independents Tony Evans is wasn't the leaked e-mails that led UEFA to the decision but info we submitted...….what a crock of shit.
 
domalino said:
Stefan on the 9320 podcast made the good point that I'll paraphrase, that UEFA have fucked up before on some really basic things, like the Galatasaray and PSG rulings being thrown out because they were outside of the time limitations, and that there's no way the massively experienced and qualified lawyers and judges didn't know that when they made their judgements, so there must be a political angle to making the rulings knowing they'll be struck down by CAS.

So we are clearly far beyond simple innocent/guilty and just because they've punished us doesn't mean they have a solid case.
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I know, but when someone puts a gun to your head you need a little more than a solid case.
 
Chi-town blues said:
All I want to know is did city breach any fuck law or not ?
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It is unlikely any laws were broken and, unfortunately, up until now, that was not part of UEFA’s investigation.

But the club may very well make it the main component of our full challenge (i.e. not only have we not violated any laws, UEFA is the one doing so).
 
The problem with the nuclear option is that the club could end up with years of litigation against UEFA with no guarantee of success. If at the end of it we lost then this ban would seem like a telling off and a stint on the naughty step in comparison to what would be coming then.
 
Quite a few posters have suggested that we should attempt to blow the rules out of the water. This is easier said than done.
1. Who has jurisdiction in such an action? Switzerland, the ECJ, British courts? Are we in or out of the ECJ on dec.31?
2. The ECJ washed their hands of the challenge in the previous attempt and sent it back to Belgium.
3. EU Commission sanctioned the rules.
4. We might be able to challenge the PL on legality of their rules.
We need a legal eagle here.
 
KS55 said:
Quite a few posters have suggested that we should attempt to blow the rules out of the water. This is easier said than done.
1. Who has jurisdiction in such an action? Switzerland, the ECJ, British courts? Are we in or out of the ECJ on dec.31?
2. The ECJ washed their hands of the challenge in the previous attempt and sent it back to Belgium.
3. EU Commission sanctioned the rules.
4. We might be able to challenge the PL on legality of their rules.
We need a legal eagle here.
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This is my worry.

They are UEFA rules and as such, its down to them to have whatever rules they like.
 
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