UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Prestwich_Blue]

Is it me or has there been a bit of a sea change in the media coverage over the last 24 hours? Perhaps a few have woken up to the fact that nothing is as clear cut as they would like it to be.

Just listened to Simple Simon on 5 Live. He always sounds like he's talking a bit faster than someone in his ear is prompting him but he was quite fair this time.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

It's a nine club global business with ties to several major companies and with community projects and property deals also involved.

It isn't just City, CFG is doing business in japan, america, china, australia, india, south america, etc


You don't just walk away

Again...

I’m not saying he does, or that I want him to. I AM saying he can, if he so chooses, by spinning them off to local ownership or other global owners.

Why on earth would you think I don’t understand what CFG is, or how it works?

 

[Eoiyflem]

A lot of media all of a sudden very sympathetic to us... To sell more papers/clicks?? Or do they now know something we don't and are on a charm offensive to avoid being dragged into something when we win??

 

[Asa's left peg]

Simon's been going to Martin Samuels journalists night school. See - wasnt that difficult Simon. A good example of a balanced piece based on facts with no inference of guilt or innocence because no one knows for sure yet. 7/10 ( I'm knocking a couple of points off, for blowing smoke up our arse)

 

[Centurions]

You sound such an intelligent chap - obviously know a lot about changing attitudes and credibility of source material.

To be fair he does have a good handle on your credibility of source material.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

It is not just about the investment in the club.
ADUG are investing in a region, a 50 year plan to invest and reap a good return. People still dont get that.

Sounds great! And if the plan changes? If the main source of income within the plan changes?

No-one is saying that Mansour doesn’t have a long term plan, only that this is a major change in that plan.

 

[Gordyola]

Graham Souness at his glorious best, I have nothing but 100% respect for this man, has and always been the finest football pundit and a wonderful footballer.

He’s also a really good genuine and down to earth guy I hate the fact that some City fans were abusing him at a recent match Luckily he’s big enough to not let that cloud his view

 

[ChicagoBlue]

He must have spent well over 2bn on CFG as a whole which is why he brought in Silverlake. Sure, he has a paper profit but the committment is huge in financial and emotional terms. He wont go.

You literally have ZERO IDEA of that. You THINK it. I do, too, but I don’t know it.

 

[dublinblue12]

Is it me or has there been a bit of a sea change in the media coverage over the last 24 hours? Perhaps a few have woken up to the fact that nothing is as clear cut as they would like it to be.

IMO People are starting to realise there will a lot of egg on the face come the summer

 

[Rammy Blue]

I think enough information has come out that we can already take a stab at what happened or at least Citys version of it.

The out of context emails say ADUG paid for Etihad which would be breaking FFP. We now know thanks to @Prestwich_Blue that this is not what actually happened and the executive council paid - fine by FFP.

Leterme has a history of ignoring evidence he doesn't like without justification. This is known from the PSG case where he ignored independent valuation to benefit PSG despite the objections of the other people on the investigatory panel.

If ADUG did not pay the sponsorship this would be recorded in bank statements/transfers which would be conclusive and "irrefutable"


Soriano says that the CFCB relied more on the out of context emails than anything the club gave them.


A possible narrative is forming about what happened in the IC.

But what are the AC doing in all this? Why did they rubber stamp it if it's so easily overturned at CAS, which it would be if that's what happened.

Personally, I reckon it all is as simple as you state above, and that it’s only ended up where it is today due to the cartel forcing the issue.

As I posted yesterday, last desperate attempt to fling some shit knowing some will stick due to the mainstream media’s biased reporting of the whole affair.

 

[Scoobz1]

No it didn't sail over my head - I nor the previous poster wasn't suggesting a media feeding frenzy open to all but simply a neutral journalist (even friendly ) asking the questions. The outcome (in terms of control on brief) would have largely been the same but the message would have had more credibility for those that our neutral or even sceptical (the wider public) as it would have been seen as partly emanating from a neutral / credible source not an employee. If a dentist who made a particular toothpaste or worked for a toothpaste manufacturer told you it was good / far better than others or another independent dentist who had no financial or emotional interest in the product told you the same who do you think people would tend to believe the most ?

 

[Asa's left peg]

The Souness thing. I cant remember too many instances of a panelist/ pundit, interrupting a presenter to correct him. All 3 said no you're wrong, city didn't vote for ffp. They were quite forceful too. People like Souness and Keane must think 'who the feck are you?' When some no mark tries to make an uneducated point about football - others are just told what to think and do it.

 

[dickie davies]

I wish we would replace Etihad with something like Amazon with a mega deal soon. Whatever is Etihad paying us know, a stadium sponsor name plus shirt sponsor must worth a lot of money combined. I think the original agreement was for 10 years in 2011 for the stadium name. End of next season it could be changing.

Get in a 5 year deal with Amazon for 150m fee per year for shirt+ stadium name combo. Imagine Nick Harris and the rest of rotten twitter clowns. haha

Actually, if Etihad still want to sponsor us I want the letters bigger on the shirt and plastered everywhere confirming our association for the right price.........

Personally I'd rather Abu Dhabi Tourism Authority rock up with £200m a year

 

[Rammy Blue]

Fair play to simon stone

Also mention why external media didn't take the Ferran interview

Fuck “fair play to Simon Stone”, the guy’s a grade A cûnt.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

I think enough information has come out that we can already take a stab at what happened or at least Citys version of it.

The out of context emails say ADUG paid for Etihad which would be breaking FFP. We now know thanks to @Prestwich_Blue that this is not what actually happened and the executive council paid - fine by FFP.

Leterme has a history of ignoring evidence he doesn't like without justification. This is known from the PSG case where he ignored independent valuation to benefit PSG despite the objections of the other people on the investigatory panel.

If ADUG did not pay the sponsorship this would be recorded in bank statements/transfers which would be conclusive and "irrefutable"


Soriano says that the CFCB relied more on the out of context emails than anything the club gave them.


A possible narrative is forming about what happened in the IC.

But what are the AC doing in all this? Why did they rubber stamp it if it's so easily overturned at CAS, which it would be if that's what happened.

I can think of two reasons. Firstly, mud sticks. We could be completely exonerated and the damage to our reputation would still be vast. Secondly, it makes our summer recruitment more difficult with this over our heads. Hopefully it will be sorted in good time, but there’s a risk it won’t be. We know this is political, so it’s just a case of looking for ways in which this is inconvenient for us... and then that’s why they are doing it.

 

[Keeper!]

Take a bow Graeme Souness.

also, Peps comments were great. Love the man.

There can be no doubt the recent events have proved Pep is one of us.

Also good always comes out of bad, this will make our club stronger and more together than ever.

 

[mcfcphil]

No it didn't sail over my head - I nor the previous poster wasn't suggesting a media feeding frenzy open to all but simply a neutral journalist (even friendly ) asking the questions. The outcome would have largely been the same but the message would have had more credibility for those that our neutral or even sceptical (the wider public) as it would have been seen as partly emanating from a neutral / credible source not an employee. If a dentist who made a particular toothpaste or worked for a toothpaste manufacturer told you it was good / far better than others or another independent dentist who had no financial or emotional interest in the product told you the same who do you think people would tend to believe the most ?

But the endorsement from dentists are included in an advert which is funded, filmed and edited by the company who want to promote the product.

If a dentist said Colgate is a load of shit and rots your teeth I have a feeling it wouldn’t make the final cut.

 

[lancs blue]

He always sounds like he's talking a bit faster than someone in his ear is prompting him

Ha ha, I've never heard him speak but that painted an amusing picture!

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Is it me or has there been a bit of a sea change in the media coverage over the last 24 hours? Perhaps a few have woken up to the fact that nothing is as clear cut as they would like it to be.

They media want the ban to happen as their hordes of plastic dipper and rag readers will lap it up. Then there is putting yourself on the right side of the story of its out come, which is pretty obvious where it’s going and which party is in the wrong here.

 

[Sir peace frog]

No it didn't sail over my head - I nor the previous poster wasn't suggesting a media feeding frenzy open to all but simply a neutral journalist (even friendly ) asking the questions. The outcome (in terms of control on brief) would have largely been the same but the message would have had more credibility for those that our neutral or even sceptical (the wider public) as it would have been seen as partly emanating from a neutral / credible source not an employee. If a dentist who made a particular toothpaste or worked for a toothpaste manufacturer told you it was good / far better than others or another independent dentist who had no financial or emotional interest in the product told you the same who do you think people would tend to believe the most ?

And your still going on, read the comments under Simon stone's tweet, bet your bank balance has a few noughts for that article.
I may not be the most intelligent poster on bluemoon, but I know when people are talking shit