UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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blueinsa said:
You are absolutely correct but Harris if wanting to take a step back and lower the heat should maybe apologise for the tone of his own words and tweets rather than do what he has done and make himself the victim.

He wont, he has lied, made things up and got the reaction he wanted and now imo, due to the club having words with the media as to what is about too happen to them all if they carry on re legal action they want to pretend it never happened and all they are doing is their jobs and how much they enjoy the debate etc etc etc.

Sorry SB but not buying it one bit.
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So you agree with me when I said the below, then?

“Rob Harris is absolutely being disingenuous (well, lying, really) with his remarks implying he has simply brought balanced reporting to the fray, and he may very well be falsely insinuating that he has caught inappropriate abuse for his obvious anti-City reporting.”

You seem to be agreeing with one of the points I’ve already made, which does not in anyway conflict with the other point about not giving them ammunition to shoot back at us and the club.

Are we debating about how much we agree with each other? ;-)
 
SebastianBlue said:
So you agree with me when I said the below, then?

“Rob Harris is absolutely being disingenuous (well, lying, really) with his remarks implying he has simply brought balanced reporting to the fray, and he may very well be falsely insinuating that he has caught inappropriate abuse for his obvious anti-City reporting.”

You seem to be agreeing with one of the points I’ve already made, which does not in anyway conflict with the other point about not giving them ammunition to shoot back at us and the club.
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Apologies if you think i have the time to read all of your war and peace posts ;-)

Yes I agree but I'm just saying i think he is being a bit disingenuous in his remarks.....well not a bit....a fucking lot!
 
razman said:


somethings happened
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Perhaps AP, which used to have a reputation for reliability and integrity, have told Rob Harris they don't like his relentless witchunt against City. He spends too much time re-tweeting polical anti-City stories, many from totally unreliable sources. Given that the thrust of City's concerns is that our club believes Qatari influences have corrupted the UEFA process (see today's Al Khelaifi bribery story for starters) perhaps Harris's bosses at AP are starting to worry.
Harris's repeated appearances on Al Jazeera, the Qatari state broadcaster (a propaganda tool for the regime) won't have helped matters. You can also see why his bosses would be worried when you consider the volume of inaccurate and unbalanced stories he has produced about City's FFP case and his defamatory slur about Pep at the post FA Cup final press conference. Harris must be one of the many journa lists who are risking civil action if City win their case at CAS. He has undermined his own reputation and that of his employers and I am sure he will be accountable for this at some point in this long-running saga.
 
blueinsa said:
Apologies if you think i have the time to read all of your war and peace posts ;-)

Yes I agree but I'm just saying i think he is being a bit disingenuous in his remarks.....well not a bit....a fucking lot!
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Haha, which is exactly what I, the prolific Sebastian Tolstoy, have said, so I think we are in agreement. ;-)
 
Murph said:
I'm not worried about the cas arbitration panel tbh, they have to be impartial, disclose any communication with any of the parties and it's possible to appeal against any arbitrator who is believed to be impartial. Also cas arbitrators are from all over the world not just europe.
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I agree - I don't know why anyone's concerned about the neutrality of CAS,
 
SebastianBlue said:
So you agree with me when I said the below, then?

“Rob Harris is absolutely being disingenuous (well, lying, really) with his remarks implying he has simply brought balanced reporting to the fray, and he may very well be falsely insinuating that he has caught inappropriate abuse for his obvious anti-City reporting.”

You seem to be agreeing with one of the points I’ve already made, which does not in anyway conflict with the other point about not giving them ammunition to shoot back at us and the club.

Are we debating about how much we agree with each other? ;-)
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I get your point but this approach hasn't exactly helped us so far has it? They just dismiss, delete or not report any counter posts or positive stuff about our club or fanbase, it is just relentless negativity and lies.
 
spacecadet said:
Harris will be a dipper fanboy, like 98% of the snakes born nowhere near skiverpool. A glory grabber who has seen his beloved Littlewoods FC smashed by City. It has ravaged him. Despite having no istree we all know City won The FA Cup 61 years before, A European trophy 3 years before and the League Cup 11 years before. He will have been weak at school and despite wanting to play for the dippers would have been soft as fuck and shit at football. So the sniveling little guttersnipe decided to do his English homework and become a journalist. Being thick as fuck he couldn't pass the NCTJ exam. He then sets up his own website and Twitter accounts and unleashes his utter tripe, and rapidly grows a following of likewise minded clowns. Sorry if this is a bit long but, this fuckwit is an absolute whopper. ENDS
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If you mean Rob Harris he is a United fan.
 
paulchapo said:
I get your point but this approach hasn't exactly helped us so far has it? They just dismiss, delete or not report any counter posts or positive stuff about our club or fanbase, it is just relentless negativity and lies.
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I agree that has been their response but that will happen regardless, unfortunately.

And the alternative just gives them more ammunition, allowing them to post more anti-City bile, only this time with specific examples of vile abuse from blues. Of course that is what they wanted all along, so why give it to them?

So we can feel better for five minutes before getting angry again when they throw the abuse back at us in another negative attack?

It’s playing in to their desire to make us in to a supply line for their biased coverage, and I for one won’t be manipulated in to being their lackey.
 
nmc said:
The bigger problem is that there is no basis to retrospectively revalue our sponsors. We are a top club in the English Premier League and there are plenty of other deals equal to or larger than ours - so in theory our deals represent fair value. Etihad currently get the shirt sponsorship, Ground and Campus of the English Champions and a Champions League participant for less than. Chevrolet pay to get their names on a mid table team in the Europe League. There’s just no way that UEFA can down grade the amounts because we could and do get sponsors from the open market. Our sleeve sponsor is not a Middle East company and is at the upper end of the spectrum for the league. UEFA really are targeting is specifically and they are really not on very solid ground.
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This is an important point. When our sponsorshops were first being valued for the purposes of FFP, it was as a relatively unsuccessful club and only a potential place amongst the elite. With the benefit of hindsight and our phenomenal rise to the most successful club of the decade, I expect that if they were being revisited, if anything, they'd be shown to have been undervalued.
 
paulchapo said:
They shouldn't be answering ANY questions on the subject. Just state that the club has made their statement and Pep and the team are here for football matters not legal ones.
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Then should have said “ If you don’t like it mate you know where the door is!”
 
nmc said:
The bigger problem is that there is no basis to retrospectively revalue our sponsors. We are a top club in the English Premier League and there are plenty of other deals equal to or larger than ours - so in theory our deals represent fair value. Etihad currently get the shirt sponsorship, Ground and Campus of the English Champions and a Champions League participant for less than. Chevrolet pay to get their names on a mid table team in the Europe League. There’s just no way that UEFA can down grade the amounts because we could and do get sponsors from the open market. Our sleeve sponsor is not a Middle East company and is at the upper end of the spectrum for the league. UEFA really are targeting is specifically and they are really not on very solid ground.
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History has shown that UEFA can. This is the magic of fair value. I posted earlier the disbelief of the Octagon (audit team used by UEFA) guy after Emirates and Lyon sponsorship. FFP won't investigate it but if it was between City and Emirates, there would be immediate suspicion and an investigation would have been launched. This is what it is.

They interpreted the emails as if it was a proof of your sponsors being related parties and as such they can pull whatever numbers out of the hat and put you in break even deficit. The club will get their own valuation by an audit team and refute FFP valuation.

I don't really like MU but looking at FFP, i have read lot of different reports on their shirt value. It seems the value is actually fair. It was a bad deal for Chevrolet because it the markets of MU and the carmaker are not aligned but it would be a tremendous deal for other firms. I have even read that they'll likely break the record for shirt sponsor on their next deal. Their shirt value is around 90 M€ for the main sponsor according to the specialists.
 
So this harris geezer is having to back track and indirectly apologise? Always knew he was a shithouse, thought he was a clever **** calling us petrostate and accusing us a club for promoting human rights abuse.

Well he's made his bed now he can lie in his own shit, he's a stuck up cocky little twat that should be nowhere near football reporting or a football stadium in fact, he thinks he is some kind of politician or spokesperson for the middle East.

He's bit off more than he can chew and I hope we find the time to throw the book.at him and take him down, he's a poison to journalism , not that it needs more poison as it's a cesspit of wankers but he's a gobshite who knows the grand total of zero about our owners, our club and us as fans.
 
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