UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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mate I live in Australia and opposition fans have the same feeling about city here. It’s crazy. We city fans go into depth of FFP, what it means and the media bias towards us but to them they only see the surface. You think Liverpool, United arsenal fans etc give 2 fucks to go in depth on what’s going on with City. The narrative is set. I really really hope that if we smash this in CAS we go after the fuckers who I believe designed this smear campaign. It’s so obviously blatant to those blues that spend enough time investigating this. We need to go back and hit hard
I’m in Oz too, our club had a friendly last Sunday and got a bus to the ground. On the way there were a few comments about our ban and for the first time the majority were against UEFA and argued how unfair it all was. I think my years of trying to educate them is finally paying off
 
“Could you sort these 80,000,000,000 emails into some sort of order please Dawn when you’ve got a minute” !
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I’m in Oz too, our club had a friendly last Sunday and got a bus to the ground. On the way there were a few comments about our ban and for the first time the majority were against UEFA and argued how unfair it all was. I think my years of trying to educate them is finally paying off

any of them Liverpool fans? The Liverpool fans in Australia are as cult like as the ones in the UK. They all think their scousers. With those you argue as much as you want and nothing gets through
 
any of them Liverpool fans? The Liverpool fans in Australia are as cult like as the ones in the UK. They all think their scousers. With those you argue as much as you want and nothing gets through
No mate an Evertonian, a couple of Tottingham, Fulham, Two Villa etc and unbelievably two mancrags

You’re right about the scousers and their cultish behaviour although my one proper scouse mate who went back home about seven years ago and we still chat was a great footballer and very knowledgeable about football in general.
 
@gordondaviesmoustache can you shed any light?

It's pretty messed up, they're looking at introducing a new code or set of guidelines, as it seems different judges are applying different rules (a mixture of historical and contemporary guidelines) which are leading to many costly appeals, pretty sure that sentences cannot be harsher than what were available to them at the time of the crime though, that seems to be the one constant.
 
As far as I’m aware, that would be illegal.

The CPS can’t charge someone for homosexual acts from 1950 in 2020 as it no longer illegal.
But aren't we talking about rules rather than laws?
I'm not sure there's any suggestion we've done anything illegal...
 
If we were bothered about the pr damage and can completely exonerate ourselves, then there’s nothing stopping us from asking for a public hearing or just publicly releasing our evidence at any time.

I highly doubt we will do that though, which says something in itself.
Both parties would have to agree to a public hearing at CAS - even if City favoured that I think UEFA would be reluctant - and until the CAS appeal is concluded both parties are also bound by confidentiality clauses.
 
Do you really think that? you might be lucky with the ones you've encountered, from my own experience, most are quite happy to just jump to beleiving it all, labling the club cheats and wanting to see punishments given.

Like Gordon says I haven't discussed it with a dipper or rag
 
FFS you clown. Is this why you have abandoned all reasoning? That's not true at all.

Read up on the fucking thread. The emails are just emails, not financial records and they are out of context. We already know at least 1 of the 4 is wrong because it states ADUG paid the Etihad deal which we know for a fact is not true. It's not doctored, it's just 2 people discussing something that didn't actually happen in the end.

The emails do not have to be doctored for the club to be innocent, so you can drop the desperate attempts to cling on to the idea they are.
They are the key pieces of evidence for UEFA's case and have been doctored in exactly the same way you have edited my post trying to make your utterly stupid claim. Doctoring means the bit you have left out. "Timelines and identifying data about the emails' recipients, context and the chain of correspondence had to be removed or altered." Otherwise they don't fit the false narrative. Got it yet? For us to be innocent they have to have been doctored, there is no other explanation if you believe the club.
 
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pretty sure that sentences cannot be harsher than what were available to them at the time of the crime though, that seems to be the one constant.
That’s not strictly true. No more than the statutory maximum that was in situ at the time can be imposed (ECHR Article 7) but (despite what Sun and Mail readers would have everyone believe) sentences for sexual offences have gone through the roof in the last 30 years, so someone being found guilty of historical sexual offences from, say, the 1980’s will be subject to a far tougher sentence today than they would have been if they’d been convicted at the time. Up to three to four times as much, up to that statutory maximum, isn’t unusual.

Whether that’s unjust depends on the offence imo. A bit of non-consensual groping of an adult in a public place should not be dealt with more harshly than it was at the time imo as it was much less socially unacceptable a generation ago, whereas anything that involves kids or rape has never been ok in post-industrial times and should therefore be punished as per today. I think it’s wrong to impose our own sense of morality upon people who have previously faltered in a relatively minor sense - although as it’s a largely pragmatic view, as a philosophical position I’m not entirely sure I’m on totally solid ground as it’s arguably philosophically inconsistent.
 
That’s not strictly true. No more than the statutory maximum that was in situ at the time can be imposed (ECHR Article 7) but (despite what Sun and Mail readers would have everyone believe) sentences for sexual offences have gone through the roof in the last 30 years, so someone being found guilty of historical sexual offences from, say, the 1980’s will be subject to a far tougher sentence today than they would have been if they’d been convicted at the time. Up to three to four times as much, up to that statutory maximum, isn’t unusual.

Whether that’s unjust depends on the offence imo. A bit of non-consensual groping of an adult in a public place should not be dealt with more harshly than it was at the time imo as it was much less socially unacceptable a generation ago, whereas anything that involves kids or rape has never been ok in post-industrial times and should therefore be punished as per today. I think it’s wrong to impose our own sense of morality upon people who have previously faltered in a relatively minor sense - although as it’s a largely pragmatic view, as a philosophical position I’m not entirely sure I’m on totally solid ground as it’s arguably philosophically inconsistent.

Fuck you !


If I said penalty rather than sentencing, would that make more sense ?
 
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