UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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I don't think a mass exodus was on the cards prior to the case being resolved. Predators no doubt looking at our squad encouraged by the usual press suspects. New contracts will no doubt give players a get out if the ban is upheld. No need to worry.
 
Plain Speaking said:
I realise our case can't be resolved early in CAS as we had hoped, but reports in press now seem more centred on our players not leaving, rather than a CL ban not coming?

"Manchester City are confident that the threat of a Champions League ban will not spark a mass Etihad exodus. "
(Simon Mullock)

Fingers crossed :-)
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they are probably thinking there is more than football like we are
 
Plain Speaking said:
I realise our case can't be resolved early in CAS as we had hoped, but reports in press now seem more centred on our players not leaving, rather than a CL ban not coming?

"Manchester City are confident that the threat of a Champions League ban will not spark a mass Etihad exodus. "
(Simon Mullock)

Fingers crossed :-)
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Even if there would have been an exodus in normal times, perhaps not anyway IMHO I like to think our players are mentally superior to most of the others.

But in these strange times as we've already said football will be all over the place for a couple of years and as a club we look after players, you'd not be seeing Napoli type actions with City.
 
nmc said:
A good read but having brilliantly examined all the facts comes to the wrong conclusion... (imho) how can we ever trust UEFA and find a compromise- they are unethical and cannot be trusted.
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I agree. Nothing I've heard makes me believe that we'll reach a compromise. But that's his opinion and it's not entirely out of the question. Soriano trying to engineer a split between the UEFA bureaucracy and the G-14 might have been a clever way of saying "Grow a pair and sort this out instead of kowtowing to a handful of clubs trying to corner the market".
 
nmc said:
A good read but having brilliantly examined all the facts comes to the wrong conclusion... (imho) how can we ever trust UEFA and find a compromise- they are unethical and cannot be trusted.
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It may well be the only way for the time being, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if City & UEFA were already moving towards a settlement given the current world climate.
 
Citizen Green. Sorry to say that I just cannot see that happening. The only way that that will happen is if UEFA will totally back down. I cannot see the Manchester City board agreeing to pay a fine or have a suspended sentence.
 
Colin @Prestwich_Blue , I am confused by two issues and I wonder if you can enlighten me.
1. Can a club borrow money to finance the purchase of players? If a club borrows funds, do they count as income for FFP purposes?
2. Seen several refs to state aid to Barca and Real. Is there more than the tax advantage they received and the dodgy land deals?
Thanks in advance for your time.
 
KS55 said:
Colin @Prestwich_Blue , I am confused by two issues and I wonder if you can enlighten me.
1. Can a club borrow money to finance the purchase of players? If a club borrows funds, do they count as income for FFP purposes?
2. Seen several refs to state aid to Barca and Real. Is there more than the tax advantage they received and the dodgy land deals?
Thanks in advance for your time.
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Borrowed money is not revenue, in the same way that your mortgage advance or a car loan isn't part of your annual income. Obviously you plan on your income being sufficient to repay the loan as well as cover all your other household expenses.

When teams buy players there's the cash side of things, which is different to how we present them in the accounts. if we buy someone for £50m, we might pay £20m up front, £15m after 12 months and the final instalment after 18 months or 2 years. But we'll show the purchase in the accounts as an expense of £10m a year (assuming it's a 5-year contract). If we'd borrowed that £50m, that would just go into the balance sheet as a £50m asset in the bank account and a £50m liability in creditors.

As regards Real & Barca, I know Real did this dodgy deal whereby they sold some land to the council at an inflated price but I think the European Court cleared them of receiving state aid over that. Don't reall know much more about their finances though.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Borrowed money is not revenue, in the same way that your mortgage advance or a car loan isn't part of your annual income. Obviously you plan on your income being sufficient to repay the loan as well as cover all your other household expenses.

When teams buy players there's the cash side of things, which is different to how we present them in the accounts. if we buy someone for £50m, we might pay £20m up front, £15m after 12 months and the final instalment after 18 months or 2 years. But we'll show the purchase in the accounts as an expense of £10m a year (assuming it's a 5-year contract). If we'd borrowed that £50m, that would just go into the balance sheet as a £50m asset in the bank account and a £50m liability in creditors.

As regards Real & Barca, I know Real did this dodgy deal whereby they sold some land to the council at an inflated price but I think the European Court cleared them of receiving state aid over that. Don't reall know much more about their finances though.
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Thanks a lot , Colin.
 
UEFA introduced FFP as the answer to the financial crisis facing football clubs in 2011 and yet, when football clubs face an undeniable financial crisis in 2020 FFP is so inappropriate, so much of a factor damaging the financial stability of clubs, that the only possible response is to relax (suspend?) them immediately. Brilliant!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Borrowed money is not revenue, in the same way that your mortgage advance or a car loan isn't part of your annual income. Obviously you plan on your income being sufficient to repay the loan as well as cover all your other household expenses.

When teams buy players there's the cash side of things, which is different to how we present them in the accounts. if we buy someone for £50m, we might pay £20m up front, £15m after 12 months and the final instalment after 18 months or 2 years. But we'll show the purchase in the accounts as an expense of £10m a year (assuming it's a 5-year contract). If we'd borrowed that £50m, that would just go into the balance sheet as a £50m asset in the bank account and a £50m liability in creditors.

As regards Real & Barca, I know Real did this dodgy deal whereby they sold some land to the council at an inflated price but I think the European Court cleared them of receiving state aid over that. Don't reall know much more about their finances though.
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Well that Real scenario certainly looks like state aid, and it certainly sounds like state aid,
 
We were not wanted, at least with our owner We have rules that target us specifically then are relaxed for others We have on the field rules and new var technology skewed against us.

What makes us think things will change irrespective of CAS decision?
 
SilverFox2 said:
We were not wanted, at least with our owner We have rules that target us specifically then are relaxed for others We have on the field rules and new var technology skewed against us.

What makes us think things will change irrespective of CAS decision?
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The Bild report today that Alaba will snub City in today’s press is clearly being directed by Bild’s Sports editors ‘FC Bayern’. Bayern have a firm dislike of all things City... they are almost certainly a player in the Der Spiegel nonsense. I hope their present antics are motivated by us refusing to play ball re Sane.
 
Talk of revamping the rules, now we have been banned for 2 years.

Agenda..........................."Yes"
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
A long but superb piece here covering the whole situation. Really covers all the bases.

https://boltfromtheblue.live/2020/03/23/fair-play-or-foul/
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That's really excellent and has helped me fill some time today! A good reference point for future stories. The point made about UEFA bragging about clubs being in profit thanks to FFP as opposed to the reality that they are sinking in a pile of debt is well made. In any event the only reason any clubs make any profits is due to hugely inflated broadcast deals which, after this crisis, will never be as large again. FFP is one of the biggest lies ever put forward by any organisation. Isn't it strange that nowadays someone like David Conn seems to think FFP is a success and UEFA is a "respected institution." What do you think his motive is for taking such an obviously wrong position?
 
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