UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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I’m guessing the reason it wouldn’t be in the public interest is because the tax man hasn’t been cheated out of any money. He’s gained, if anything.

This is right. The idea that a company's directors would be prosecuted for putting money into their own company is ludicrous. In the worst case scenario, and going along with the idea that such an investment was disguised in the accounts, what is the damage ? Who are the victims ? And if you think that law enforcement might pursue it because people are interested or to set an example, ask yourself what the likely outcome would be. No victims = technical offence. It just wouldn't happen.

Believe me, the SFO has plenty of real fraud with real victims to think about without getting involved in football politics.

At best you might have a civil action by the clubs deemed to have been harmed by breach of the FFP rules but nothing else.
 
I'm pretty sure that it's an old quote the FT included in a piece when the ban was imposed. I remember seeing it before.
You're correct. They used pretty much the exact same quote in an article dated February 18th 2020:
https://www.ft.com/content/c8e25054-519a-11ea-8841-482eed0038b1
According to a person with knowledge of the case, Uefa investigators even hired outside lawyers for the first time in an effort to build a watertight case that could avoid the fate of past FFP inquiries — such as against Paris Saint-Germain, AC Milan and Galatasaray — where sanctions were overturned for technical legal reasons. “Provided Uefa don’t cave in they should win at CAS,” the person said, adding that it would be “very difficult” for Uefa “to back down on this one”.
Edit: sorry just seen @Centurions post linking the same article.
 
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Yep, back on 18th of February.

https://www.ft.com/content/c8e25054-519a-11ea-8841-482eed0038b1

That's just lazy journalism.
And this old FT story was published on the same day Nasser Al Khelaifi, one of the UEFA architects of City's CL ban along with Yves Leterme, was charged with corruption by the Swiss authorities (for his criminal activity while at FIFA). That's the sort of information you might expect to see published in a paper like the Finanacial Times but this story has hardly been touched by the UK media. I wonder why.
 
This is right. The idea that a company's directors would be prosecuted for putting money into their own company is ludicrous. In the worst case scenario, and going along with the idea that such an investment was disguised in the accounts, what is the damage ? Who are the victims ? And if you think that law enforcement might pursue it because people are interested or to set an example, ask yourself what the likely outcome would be. No victims = technical offence. It just wouldn't happen.

Believe me, the SFO has plenty of real fraud with real victims to think about without getting involved in football politics.

At best you might have a civil action by the clubs deemed to have been harmed by breach of the FFP rules but nothing else.
This just isn't correct. Nothing to do with tax. Victims? Customers, fans of other clubs, suppliers, competitors, the market due to the alleged distortion of spending - many people could be described as victims if there was a finding that due to false accounts, CFG gained a pre-eminent position in a sport. And squarely in the public interest. I'm not suggesting it will happen, but its perfectly possible to construct the case and whether you agree or not with the victim point, the public interest is obvious and undeniable.
 
This is the crazy situation we have:
A) One (or the G14) club bullies the Authorities to change the proposed regulations that they would fail so that they will pass the amended regulations (even benefit from them)
Verdict - perfectly ok, nothing to criticise.
B) another club is perceived to have broken those new amended regulations by said bully who would have failed them (the public do not even know how specifically)
Verdict - the crime of the century.
No wonder football is in an absolute mess.
 
Question:

Personally I have no idea what will happen. I don't have a clue even if I was forced at gunpoint to pick.

I know I think FFP is a sham but that’s not going to be relevant to the case itself.

But say City are found guilty by CAS...what will be your first thoughts?
 
Anything less and we would still be facing Premier League sanctions and all that entails.

You really think the other 19 clubs would sit on their hands if we got a one year ban instead of two?

Guilty would be guilty, regardless of a reduced sentence.

People need to understand the gravity of this case, it is all or nothing.

City would be sent into the wilderness for years by a guilty verdict, putting an official stamp on deligitimising every trophy we have won.

That would certainly be in the interim, as we got to the highest courts in the land.

The damage would already been done though.

I do agree with Tugay though, feels like a typical City moment where it will come crashing down.

UEFA will find a way to stitch us up.
 
Question:

Personally I have no idea what will happen. I don't have a clue even if I was forced at gunpoint to pick.

I know I think FFP is a sham but that’s not going to be relevant to the case itself.

But say City are found guilty by CAS...what will be your first thoughts?

Probably what calibre of firearm was pointed at you.
 
From Meredith to Agueroooo, these are critical times in the history and future of our great club. Put simply two words will define whether we have reason for celebration or reason to be ridiculed. IRREFUTABLE PROOF. Come on City.!
 
Question:

Personally I have no idea what will happen. I don't have a clue even if I was forced at gunpoint to pick.

I know I think FFP is a sham but that’s not going to be relevant to the case itself.

But say City are found guilty by CAS...what will be your first thoughts?
Since we know very little of what either side are bringing to the table that's impossible to say I'd have thought? At least we'll know one way or the other shortly (hopefully).
 
As others have pointed out, if the worst comes to the worst, if you're going to be banned, it's a good time and I'm not sure it would be worth taking it further.

The financial implications of the lockdown have created an unprecedented financial crisis and every club will be losing money. That means FFP regulations will have to be relaxed to allow owner investment otherwise some prominent football clubs face going to the wall. This is an area where we are on particularly strong ground. On the other hand, united and Liverpool need that money just to cover the losses they are currently incurring rather than being able to invest in players and pull further away from us.

Assuming that the Champions League TV rights for the next two years stay the same, which is far from certain given the state of the product, we'd lose out on around £150m. Unlike when the rules were introduced, we can cover that with the sale of one or two players. Not a very palatable thought but, in business terms, the correct response to give us breathing space. Can we do that whilst still challenging for the domestic title ? I believe we can and, if necessary, will. Certainly whilst our rivals are fighting debt fires, our owners will be constructing a new business plan from a position of relative strength.

As for reputational damage. Every single person you hear pontificating knows exactly what FFP was created for and its very creation has tarnished the whole product. The chief architects are shooting themselves in the foot in the belief that football is all about them. It isn't and, in the not too distant future, they'll come to realise that. Our reputation will recover. Prominent clubs have done a lot worse (Liverpool and Juventus I'm looking at you) and recovered and we will too.

Embrace next week's hearing. Whichever way it goes, we'll win out in the end.

Whilst our Silver Lake money would normally help us remain challengers for the league outside of no European football, I would wager you now points deductions in the Premier League to further hamstring us.

I have said previously, they would try to do a Saracens on us and even try to strip titles.
 
You believe that we don't have a 'secret' bank account in the Cayman Islands to reduce the tax bill? Why not? Everyone else has and nobody says anything.
I know we traded with Saudi Arabia for armaments and fighter aircraft some time ago and hidden within .BAE accounts somewhere was the taxmans cut regarding normal cascade money payments withhin RSA.
 
Whilst our Silver Lake money would normally help us remain challengers for the league outside of no European football, I would wager you now points deductions in the Premier League to further hamstring us.

I have said previously, they would try to do a Saracens on us and even try to strip titles.

Well that's cheered me up
 
Blimey TH. I look to you for confidence. Have things changed full circle since the music?
 
Does the phrase "cave in" refer to finding a technicality?
If so does the evidence then have no bearing on the case so that we get a result and they can claim our lasting guilt?

Possibly, I would still hope we got our evidence out there for the whole world to see.

To be blunt, I think the quote is either old or completely made up.

Ever since this was sent to CAS, the leaks have been plugged.
 
Blimey TH. I look to you for confidence. Have things changed full circle since the music?

Ha. No mate. It just grinds my gears when I see posters suggesting they would accept a reduced ban to a year.

That's a verdict of guilty. We are not guilty.

If we are found guilty, it will start little fires elsewhere.

I don't see why people can't see that?
 
Funny how we're getting more negative the closer we are to the start of the case. We we're all bullish a while back riding on the positivity of PB's and THs' posts but they are now lurching towards the reality of us failing or at least not getting the full exoneration we crave and so we're all following suit :o). It may be we have to start as a club all over again and when we win again it'll be like a red hot poker shoved up the arses of our detractors. I went nearly 40 years without seeing us winning anything worthwhile. If I have to stomach a mini-famine again to get back on track then bring it on. The club will be here and we'll be here. CTID.
 
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