UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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BobbyBoy said:
I will go with Forbes for this one.

Manchester City was found guilty of two charges: of falsely inflating sponsorship revenues when making submissions as part of the Financial Fair Play (FFP) compliance process; of breaching regulations by failing to cooperate in the investigation of the case by the Club Financial Control Body (CFCB).
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Fred Karno is taking a few lads on, get your CV in Bob lad you’d be perfect.
 
BobbyBoy said:
Breaking the FFP rules that all clubs entering European competition agree to.

Edit: apologies for using the word guilty, as projectriver as pointed out on a few occasions guilty or innocent isn't the correct description.
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They are going to have to prove City's audited account's are false on the say-so of few stolen out of context emails. Etihad themselves have confirmed the money came from them.
 
Yes, who found them guilty... a biased organisation who made the rules and changed the rules after a few years which scuppered city’s ability to meet the new criteria.

I can quote that you are found guilty of ignorance.. that is the court of me.
 
BobbyBoy said:
Breaking the FFP rules that all clubs entering European competition agree to.
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But we adhered to the rules - even checked with UEFA, and they actually assured us that we were abiding by the rules... then UEFA changed the rules.

Let's put it in a simple term, even you might understand...

Say you're on the motorway doing 70mph... quite happy with yourself, because you know the speed limit and you've been checking your speedo, to make sure you haven't exceeded the speed limit...

...then you get pulled over by the police, they give you a fine and 6 points on your licence for speeding – you plead your case because you know you didn't go over 70mph, only for the police to inform you they'd changed the speed limit to 55mph – you'd feel that was unfair I dare say!

Now, apply this to the CAS case... it's the equivalent of the police coming round to your house and trying to fine you again for the offence your paid for years ago.
 
dario2739 said:
What utter bollocks... firstly, there is zero comparison between our case and two cases of racism – you then spout rubbish about the Suarez/Evra incident... no proof? Suarez admitted what he said, but claimed it isn't meant in a racist way!

As for thinking we're guilty and saying most neutrals think we are... I wonder why... couldn't be because a highly biased media, who pander constantly to Liverpool and United, have slanted their articles to say we are is it? Or UEFA, who are renowned for their integrity and honesty.
Enlighten us - why do you feel we're guilty, what proof do you have to back up your opinion?
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The facts of the Suarez incident are irrelevant to the point I was making. The poster I replied to asked about how the case is viewed outside your "bubble". My reference is the Suarez incident is a comparison between both sets of fans, both are adamant, unequivocal, 100% certain, whatever word you want to use for not entertaining any other outcome than innocent. There was/is no doubt among the support base where as other clubs supporters are looking on thinking your bonkers.
 
dario2739 said:
But we adhered to the rules - even checked with UEFA, and they actually assured us that we were abiding by the rules... then UEFA changed the rules.

Let's put it in a simple term, even you might understand...

Say you're on the motorway doing 70mph... quite happy with yourself, because you know the speed limit and you've been checking your speedo, to make sure you haven't exceeded the speed limit...

...then you get pulled over by the police, they give you a fine and 6 points on your licence for speeding – you plead your case because you know you didn't go over 70mph, only for the police to inform you they'd changed the speed limit to 55mph – you'd feel that was unfair I dare say!

Now, apply this to the CAS case... it's the equivalent of the police coming round to your house and trying to fine you again for the offence your paid for years ago.
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He knows. He's being a wum and stirring the pot.
 
BobbyBoy said:
The facts of the Suarez incident are irrelevant to the point I was making. The poster I replied to asked about how the case is viewed outside your "bubble". My reference is the Suarez incident is a comparison between both sets of fans, both are adamant, unequivocal, 100% certain, whatever word you want to use for not entertaining any other outcome than innocent. There was/is no doubt among the support base where as other clubs supporters are looking on thinking your bonkers.
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You’re
 
BobbyBoy said:
The facts of the Suarez incident are irrelevant to the point I was making. The poster I replied to asked about how the case is viewed outside your "bubble". My reference is the Suarez incident is a comparison between both sets of fans, both are adamant, unequivocal, 100% certain, whatever word you want to use for not entertaining any other outcome than innocent. There was/is no doubt among the support base where as other clubs supporters are looking on thinking your bonkers.
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You are still talking absolute rubbish – the Suarez incident had irrefutable proof - the guy himself admitted it! Liverpool - the club and fans, acted in the cult-like way they always do... strange bunch... they defended racism.

City have been accused of financial irregularities - they deny it - and have accounts (which have been checked previously and approved of) to back that up.

As I said earlier, there is ZERO comparison

All you have done, is prove that your only reasoning of our guilt is that you believe what you have read in a baised media!
 
In the " court of public opinion " ie the supporters of every other club apart from City, the narrative is guilty .

The G14 clan members obviously, but the average supporter of other clubs simply follow the media line and City must be guilty because UEFA wouldn't charge them if there was nothing to be guilty of .

Gentlemen and ladies - we are guilty of being successful and upsetting the status quo - no point in arguing with the ignorant .
 
BobbyBoy said:
I'm 6 months on here and so far have avoided giving my opinion on the subject. Seeing as you have specifically asked I will share my thoughts. Firstly I have noticed a real change in mood in the last few weeks since the poll went up and @projectriver provided his brilliant analysis.

Now gets ready to run for the hills*

As an outsider looking in and what I feel is the general consensus among other fans is City are obviously guilty. In so many ways it reminds of 2 cases, the John Terry/Anton Ferdinand case and the Suarez/Evra case. The Chelsea fans weren't as ferocious as they were inwardly delighted to have a racist as captain but still wouldn't have it be said that only true version of events was the one provided by their spiritual leader. With Liverpool you had players wearing t-shirts in support and supporters learning intricate pieces of law and Montevideo slang and swearing blind their man is the victim when literally everyone else is looking at them and saying what the fuck is wrong with them? To this day they won't have anyone say Suarez was a wrongun despite a mountain of evidence and a series of various crimes for differnet teams in different countries. They wanted to sue the FA, Ferguson,Evra, UEFA and anyone else that didn't believe them. It was only the eventual intervention by sponsors that had them put their guns away. In 20 years time those fans will still reject any accusation he made racist remarks.

I think something similar will happen here, City will lose and eventually sponsors/investors will demand a line is drawn underneath this. I won't line, I do think City are guilty but I don't think this is anywhere near as clear cut as the Suarez case simply because there is so much more involved and City at every level (bar internet security) seem to be world leaders, add in another jurisdiction which UEFA have no rights in and it becomes a much closer call. It's so technical and so huge that there is a massive chance someone in UEFA has fucked up somewhere along the line, I suspect City's bluster is based around having the confidence that the best legal team money can buy will find that mistake.

* you did ask.
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So your basically saying City are guilty and if they are exonerated it will be due to a mistake by uefa or our legal team finding a technicality.

Out of interest, is there any way you would accept city aren't guilty of what they've been accused of?
 
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