UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Paladin]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day!

Sometimes even three times a day.

 

[Keeper!]

In the present financial climate, there isn’t a club in the world that could afford to buy KDB

Agreed BUT he is an exceptional player ,the type of player who is rarely available, the type of player money has to be found to buy, a game changing player at the very top of his game.

 

[Keeper!]

Don’t persecute yourself with made up bollocks from a media that fucking hates us. Have you EVER heard KDB say this in an interview? No you haven’t

He clearly loves it here, BUT he is 29, he wants to win the Champions League and I can understand that.

 

[Big Dave Watson]

I think that’s really harsh on @Big Dave Watson

On the contrary smart arse. I will be over the moon to be cleared but simply don’t see it happening.

 

[Big Dave Watson]

Come back to us mate, you have Big Dave Watson liking your posts!

Once you go full BDW...

Wow, even you jumping on the bandwagon now.

 

[Keeper!]

Wow, even you jumping on the bandwagon now.

Come on Big Man, we are going to be cleared, the future is blue!

 

[Centurions]

Wow, even you jumping on the bandwagon now.

Bandwagon? I'd thought it was more a Snowpiercer type scenario, 1,001 carriages long ;)

 

[bluemanchester]

Sometimes even three times a day.

That would be the clock in UEFAs office then. Maybe as well as moving goalposts they move clock fingers.

 

[laserblue]

I think while there is an ongoing investigation into the club it would be a weird place to randomly pop up at just to watch a bit of football, especially as there were other Champions League games on that same week that he could’ve attended.

Not only that but that was apparently the first City CL game Ceferin had ever attended and reportedly he turned up in Zagreb for City's next CL game too.

 

[Big Dave Watson]

Come on Big Man, we are going to be cleared, the future is blue!

Sincerely hope so.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day!

Unless it’s a digital one...

 

[waspish]

I honestly think Pep is going to tell it as it is when he gives his views on this whole process, as you say dynamite...

Hope he says at other clubs I managed I was blinkered by Uefa and certain clubs power to there own ends.

I expect a dead bat response though if we get a positive result.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

If you are innocent, accepting any settlement is acknowledging guilt.

If you, me or anyone else on this forum was wrongly charged in a criminal matter, for something that they were innocent of, I can guarantee that 99.5% of us wouldn’t accept a lesser punishment. You wouldn’t accept any punishment at all because even if it’s a £1 fine, you’re admitting guilt.

That puts the power completely in UEFAs hands; ‘you’ve accepted 2 fines for FFP breaches, as it’s now the third time we are charging you, the punishment will be a 5 year CL ban and £100m fine’

You really can not guarantee that at all. I know we’d all like to believe that’s true but it really isn’t.
In the USA for example, 97% of people convicted of a federal crime do not go to trial and plead guilty. Now, there are many people who plead guilty but who insist they are innocent and, they’ve either got an extraordinary police force or that is very true.

 

[moomba]

Doesn't USA have a "no contest" plea, where you can accept a punishment without admitting guilt.

 

[old blue]

Hope he says at other clubs I managed I was blinkered by Uefa and certain clubs power to there own ends.

I expect a dead bat response though if we get a positive result.

That was how Covid started.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Wow, even you jumping on the bandwagon now.

Hard nosed realism can be deeply unsettling for many :)

Don't go all Top Blue Optimist as we need a bit of balance on here...

 

[laserblue]

The only reason I doubt that Ceferin offered us a token fine for a technical breach is that we'd have been stupid not to take it.

However token it would be an admission of guilt. The club hierarchy have consistently maintained we're innocent.

 

[Marvin]

I've just not been hearing a lack of positiveness since the CAS hearing took place. Our counsel will be highly-skilled enough to ascertain the probabilities in the immediate aftermath.

Even in the last couple of days, believing City have now been informed, the message hasn't changed.

My own take.

Do you know that City have been 'informed'?

 

[@BluePhil8]

You really can not guarantee that at all. I know we’d all like to believe that’s true but it really isn’t.
In the USA for example, 97% of people convicted of a federal crime do not go to trial and plead guilty. Now, there are many people who plead guilty but who insist they are innocent and, they’ve either got an extraordinary police force or that is very true.

Second time the US justice system has come up.

This is the same country where you get 20 years for having a bit of bud on you, get shot by the police for literally doing nothing wrong in some instances, get put on the sex offender register for pissing in public or sleeping with your girlfriend when your both under 18.

They have one of the shittest judicial systems in the world.

 

[Centurions]

If you are innocent, accepting any settlement is acknowledging guilt.

If you, me or anyone else on this forum was wrongly charged in a criminal matter, for something that they were innocent of, I can guarantee that 99.5% of us wouldn’t accept a lesser punishment. You wouldn’t accept any punishment at all because even if it’s a £1 fine, you’re admitting guilt.

That puts the power completely in UEFAs hands; ‘you’ve accepted 2 fines for FFP breaches, as it’s now the third time we are charging you, the punishment will be a 5 year CL ban and £100m fine’

We accepted the settlement in 2014 and stated that it was on no admission of guilt. This isn't a criminal court we're talking about.

FWIW the settlement agreement expressly stated we made no admission in respect of the breaches

"[The Settlement Agreement] specifies that MCFC did not admit to be in breach of the UEFA CL&FFPR." para 6 of https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Award_CAS_6298_internet.pdf