UFO decent footage, IMO. You?

[buzzer1]

A logical fallacy, not evidence.[/quote]

These people are trying to Disclose information only certain people know about, come on mate are you not in anyway intrigued or like me excited by all this?? and do you believe these people? infact does any of the sceptics believe these people?[/quote]

I might be interested had these clips not been taken massively out of context and had gelsons dad not already disproved them.[/quote]

Alabaster, GD might be well and truly in the know as far as research goes, but you are not surely suggesting that just because he disprooves something that that indeed is the end if the matter and is spot on? And what do you mean "taken out of context"? i understand that people can construe things in different ways but again have you seen the aforementioned films for yourself?

 

[ElanJo]

I agree with you that the evidence for other life having visited this planet is thin at best. However, I think that that (the bold part) is pretty much exactly what we would do, especially if the life in question was like ours ( a young, largely irrational, superstitious, war loving species with enough firepower to destroy the planet many times over )

Well, that's debatable. I very much doubt we'd be able to remain invisible to all forms of detection.

They'd probably be sat around a campfire, or at a computer, having a very similar conversation to this one.

As for taking thousands of years to get anywhere in space, well that presupposes that we are pretty much the most intelligent life in the universe. Slightly arrogant me thinks.

It doesn't presuppose any such thing. According to special relativity, nothing can travel as fast as the speed of light. Given that even light takes thousands, even millions, of years to travel across galaxies, it would be pretty difficult, if not impossible, to ever manage navigate around the universe. Of course, it is possible that there are ways around this that we haven't discovered yet, but I think space travel is much more difficult than believers think it is.

Of course it does. You've just said that according to OUR level of understanding traversing the systems is severely restricted, if not impossible. You're presupposing that no other life has a superior understanding and/or capability. It's akin to a secluded tribe saying that the sighting of a helicopter didn't happen because they don't have the knowledge to make one.
"Believers" aside, you tacitly admit this in your last sentence. If (some) UFO sightings were aliens (I'm not arguing that they are) then it is logical to conclude, infact it would be necessary, that they have better ways of traveling through space (due to a far superior intellect) than we do. Thus it is illogical to argue against sightings with arguments concerning logistics - unless you are the God of Physics.

I think you should just stick to the lack of evidence argument.

That is my main argument.

Making it your whole argument would be better ;)

 

[buzzer1]

Apparently there was a golden age before the cataclysm(s) hit earth, anyone know anything about this?

 

[ElanJo]

Apparently there was a golden age before the cataclysm(s) hit earth, anyone know anything about this?

No I don't know anything about a "golden age" and neither does anyone else because there has not been any evidence of such a thing found. If there has then I'd love to see it.

If we can find dinosaur teeth then why do we not find "golden age" artifacts?

 

[buzzer1]

Apparently there was a golden age before the cataclysm(s) hit earth, anyone know anything about this?

No I don't know anything about a "golden age" and neither does anyone else because there has not been any evidence of such a thing found. If there has then I'd love to see it.

If we can find dinosaur teeth then why do we not find "golden age" artifacts?

What would you say to pictures of guns and bullets and even animals drawn in a certaiin part of the world when the animals are not native to that area? all 1000s of years ago of course. How could this be (if true) in your opinion?

 

[Bigga]

Question.

Am I to suppose that unless Prince Klang from the Planet Zod Zod sits down with the 'Leader of the Planet Earth' that there is NO OTHER life form out there in advance of us?

This includes whether radiation is discovered emitting from others planets (not to say that when new galaxies and solar systems are being discovered by Hubble, that we can reach them with our current technology).

Believe it or not, people, we are primitive. Yes, primitive. It is only in the last 100 years we've come on in the next step of advancement, and it's not by much. Yet, some would have you believe we are in the elite stages of intellect!

What? When it is deemed we only use a small amount of our brain?

Come on, people, come on!

You really like arguing against straw-men don't you? Why don't you try reading people's posts properly and stop inventing all this rubbish about what has actually been said. Nobody said we are as advanced as we could possibly be, or that there is nothing left for us to discover.

I'm a psychologist mate, and if anybody ever says we are only using a small amount of our brains they are talking absolute bullshit. We are using all of our brains all of the time.

Hahaha! Mr Psychologist, can you answer why there are people who have had no prior inclination to 'other realms of conciousness' to claim they've been outside their bodies? Would that not be accessing part of the brains we are not fully concious of? Or even 'dejá vu' as an experience?

There are one or two on this forum that have spoken openly of such things. And my own mother has regaled to me tales of what she has been through... Unless she's a liar and has kept me believing bull sh*t, for no reason!

So, here's the thing for me... unless YOU have experienced it, you have to dismiss it, because it's 'not scientifically proven' or needing 'extraordinary science' to gauge it?

Tell me, how do you gauge levels of the mind by science? Call 'Ghostbusters'?

 

[alabaster]

Of course it does. You've just said that according to OUR level of understanding traversing the systems is severely restricted, if not impossible. You're presupposing that no other life has a superior understanding and/or capability. It's akin to a secluded tribe saying that the sighting of a helicopter didn't happen because they don't have the knowledge to make one.
"Believers" aside, you tacitly admit this in your last sentence. If (some) UFO sightings were aliens (I'm not arguing that they are) then it is logical to conclude, infact it would be necessary, that they have better ways of traveling through space (due to a far superior intellect) than we do. Thus it is illogical to argue against sightings with arguments concerning logistics - unless you are the God of Physics.

I think we are in agreement really. I admit there could be ways that we don't know about yet. Although I don't think a vastly superior intellect is necessary. In a few hundred years we could have that knowledge.

 

[buzzer1]

Hahaha! Mr Psychologist, can you answer why there are people who have had no prior inclination to 'other realms of conciousness' to claim they've been outside their bodies? Would that not be accessing part of the brains we are not fully concious of? Or even 'dejá vu' as an experience?

There are one or two on this forum that have spoken openly of such things. And my own mother has regaled to me tales of what she has been through... Unless she's a liar and has kept me believing bull sh*t, for no reason!

So, here's the thing for me... unless YOU have experienced it, you have to dismiss it, because it's 'not scientifically proven' or needing 'extraordinary science' to gauge it?

Tell me, how do you gauge levels of the mind by science? Call 'Ghostbusters'?[/quote]

Bigga, my own brother, a solid soundminded successfull man had a mad experience that left him absolutely shaken. There is absolutely noway that scientists or anybody else that is so called in the know could possibly explain the workings of the depths of someones mind, noway man. The possibility is massive and it is the said people that say no no no and have people believe and believe what they are being told as gospel; Truth should be the authority and not authority be the truth as unfortunately happens in every single day of our lives.

 

[ElanJo]

Of course it does. You've just said that according to OUR level of understanding traversing the systems is severely restricted, if not impossible. You're presupposing that no other life has a superior understanding and/or capability. It's akin to a secluded tribe saying that the sighting of a helicopter didn't happen because they don't have the knowledge to make one.
"Believers" aside, you tacitly admit this in your last sentence. If (some) UFO sightings were aliens (I'm not arguing that they are) then it is logical to conclude, infact it would be necessary, that they have better ways of traveling through space (due to a far superior intellect) than we do. Thus it is illogical to argue against sightings with arguments concerning logistics - unless you are the God of Physics.

I think we are in agreement really. I admit there could be ways that we don't know about yet. Although I don't think a vastly superior intellect is necessary. In a few hundred years we could have that knowledge.

Aye, I should have said "knowledge base" really. What we may know in the future opens up an even more interesting discussion imo, super intelligent "alive" A.I, transhumanism and this idea of a technological singularity. Some say that people alive now could have the possibility, if still alive in 40-50 years to in effect live forever, or atleast be free of involuntary natural death. Infact, a way to travel great distances (eg. space travel) may call for pilots to become "cyborgs"

 

[alabaster]

Hahaha! Mr Psychologist, can you answer why there are people who have had no prior inclination to 'other realms of conciousness' to claim they've been outside their bodies? Would that not be accessing part of the brains we are not fully concious of? Or even 'dejá vu' as an experience?

There are one or two on this forum that have spoken openly of such things. And my own mother has regaled to me tales of what she has been through... Unless she's a liar and has kept me believing bull sh*t, for no reason!

Out-of-body experiences can be brought on by stimulating the brain in a particular area with electrodes, or drugs, or it can happen as a result of lesions to the brain. This experience feels very real to the subject, but it is only happening inside the brain. The brain is extremely complex, it is constantly creating an illusion of reality for all of us. All that's happening when someone experiences an out-of-body experience is that a certain part of the brain is more active than it should be.

Once again, there is no evidence to support your claim of 'other realms of consciousness'. There is plenty of evidence to support the idea that it is something happening in the brain.

So, here's the thing for me... unless YOU have experienced it, you have to dismiss it, because it's 'not scientifically proven' or needing 'extraordinary science' to gauge it?

Tell me, how do you gauge levels of the mind by science? Call 'Ghostbusters'?

Anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. Apart from anything else, memory is very unreliable. You cannot rely on other people's testimony. I don't need to have experienced it myself. I've never been to Australia, but the evidence that it exists is overwhelming. We, and everything else that exists, is part of the physical world. Everything impinges upon that world and is therefore measurable. If something cannot be measured, it is reasonable to assume it does not exist.