UFO decent footage, IMO. You?

[Gelsons Dad]

Hahaha! Mr Psychologist, can you answer why there are people who have had no prior inclination to 'other realms of conciousness' to claim they've been outside their bodies? Would that not be accessing part of the brains we are not fully concious of? Or even 'dejá vu' as an experience?

There are one or two on this forum that have spoken openly of such things. And my own mother has regaled to me tales of what she has been through... Unless she's a liar and has kept me believing bull sh*t, for no reason!

So, here's the thing for me... unless YOU have experienced it, you have to dismiss it, because it's 'not scientifically proven' or needing 'extraordinary science' to gauge it?

Tell me, how do you gauge levels of the mind by science? Call 'Ghostbusters'?

Bigga, my own brother, a solid soundminded successfull man had a mad experience that left him absolutely shaken. There is absolutely noway that scientists or anybody else that is so called in the know could possibly explain the workings of the depths of someones mind, noway man. The possibility is massive and it is the said people that say no no no and have people believe and believe what they are being told as gospel; Truth should be the authority and not authority be the truth as unfortunately happens in every single day of our lives./[color]

The problem with you, of all people writing this is you don't have a reasonable method of determining the truth. You believe all the mumbo jumbo conspiracy bullshit but have so far not been able to make one coherent argument for any of them. Your explanation for them all is " how do you explain? or what do you make of?" Why don't you take a moment and try and explain why it is that we should accept the "golden age" or "UFOs" as the truth?

 

[buzzer1]

Anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. Apart from anything else, memory is very unreliable. You cannot rely on other people's testimony. I don't need to have experienced it myself. I've never been to Australia, but the evidence that it exists is overwhelming. We, and everything else that exists, is part of the physical world. Everything impinges upon that world and is therefore measurable. If something cannot be measured, it is reasonable to assume it does not exist.[/quote]

Mate, i know my own brother and if you met him you would know what i'm talking about, i could trust him with my life and he is certainly not into any spiritual or paranormal stuff, what happened is truly unexplainable, i wont elaborate im afraid but trust me on this one regarding the solidness of our kid and what happened to him.

 

[alabaster]

I think we are in agreement really. I admit there could be ways that we don't know about yet. Although I don't think a vastly superior intellect is necessary. In a few hundred years we could have that knowledge.

Aye, I should have said "knowledge base" really. What we may know in the future opens up an even more interesting discussion imo, super intelligent "alive" A.I, transhumanism and this idea of a technological singularity. Some say that people alive now could have the possibility, if still alive in 40-50 years to in effect live forever, or atleast be free of involuntary natural death. Infact, a way to travel great distances (eg. space travel) may call for pilots to become "cyborgs"

I agree. I think the prospects of what we could do with AI and biology in our own lifetimes are enormously exciting.

 

[ElanJo]

No I don't know anything about a "golden age" and neither does anyone else because there has not been any evidence of such a thing found. If there has then I'd love to see it.

If we can find dinosaur teeth then why do we not find "golden age" artifacts?

What would you say to pictures of guns and bullets and even animals drawn in a certaiin part of the world when the animals are not native to that area? all 1000s of years ago of course. How could this be (if true) in your opinion?

Are they true tho? Show me the pictures of guns and bullets please.

As for the animals. The further you go back in history the more nomadic humans were. It doesn't seem unlikely that some humans would draw what they've seen on their travels. Also, I believe, if I remember correctly, that we had boats going as far back as atleast 8-10 thousand years ago.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. Apart from anything else, memory is very unreliable. You cannot rely on other people's testimony. I don't need to have experienced it myself. I've never been to Australia, but the evidence that it exists is overwhelming. We, and everything else that exists, is part of the physical world. Everything impinges upon that world and is therefore measurable. If something cannot be measured, it is reasonable to assume it does not exist.

Mate, i know my own brother and if you met him you would know what i'm talking about, i could trust him with my life and he is certainly not into any spiritual or paranormal stuff, what happened is truly unexplainable, i wont elaborate im afraid but trust me on this one regarding the solidness of our kid and what happened to him.

Take away the personal references and just think about a) mental illness or b) any narcotic.

 

[alabaster]

Anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. Apart from anything else, memory is very unreliable. You cannot rely on other people's testimony. I don't need to have experienced it myself. I've never been to Australia, but the evidence that it exists is overwhelming. We, and everything else that exists, is part of the physical world. Everything impinges upon that world and is therefore measurable. If something cannot be measured, it is reasonable to assume it does not exist.

Mate, i know my own brother and if you met him you would know what i'm talking about, i could trust him with my life and he is certainly not into any spiritual or paranormal stuff, what happened is truly unexplainable, i wont elaborate im afraid but trust me on this one regarding the solidness of our kid and what happened to him.

Take away the personal references and just think about a) mental illness or b) any narcotic.

Or a one-off instance of temporal-lobe epilepsy, or just over-activation of the brain, or any number of other possible explanations.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Take away the personal references and just think about a) mental illness or b) any narcotic.

Or a one-off instance of temporal-lobe epilepsy, or just over-activation of the brain, or any number of other possible explanations.

or lemsip.
I know that 8 lemsips in a day is enough to send me on a freaky out of body trip. Of it was in 1989. Wasn't real though, just in my mind.

 

[buzzer1]

Hahaha! Mr Psychologist, can you answer why there are people who have had no prior inclination to 'other realms of conciousness' to claim they've been outside their bodies? Would that not be accessing part of the brains we are not fully concious of? Or even 'dejá vu' as an experience?

There are one or two on this forum that have spoken openly of such things. And my own mother has regaled to me tales of what she has been through... Unless she's a liar and has kept me believing bull sh*t, for no reason!

So, here's the thing for me... unless YOU have experienced it, you have to dismiss it, because it's 'not scientifically proven' or needing 'extraordinary science' to gauge it?

Tell me, how do you gauge levels of the mind by science? Call 'Ghostbusters'?

Bigga, my own brother, a solid soundminded successfull man had a mad experience that left him absolutely shaken. There is absolutely noway that scientists or anybody else that is so called in the know could possibly explain the workings of the depths of someones mind, noway man. The possibility is massive and it is the said people that say no no no and have people believe and believe what they are being told as gospel; Truth should be the authority and not authority be the truth as unfortunately happens in every single day of our lives./[color]

The problem with you, of all people writing this is you don't have a reasonable method of determining the truth. You believe all the mumbo jumbo conspiracy bullshit but have so far not been able to make one coherent argument for any of them. Your explanation for them all is " how do you explain? or what do you make of?" Why don't you take a moment and try and explain why it is that we should accept the "golden age" or "UFOs" as the truth?

The problem with you is you are the illuminated one and are so far advanced you are off scale. The ufo situation that i blindly believe in comes from the people with the calibre of Nasa personel and govt. insiders as well as seeing the odd thing or two myself; I certainly wont chuck my thoughts and beliefs in the bin because some hi-tech wizard on an internet forum shakes his/her arse. There have been various documentaries over the past years that i have seen regarding paintings in caves of Animals etc that didnt belong to the area, i have heard of a golden age but didnt wanna stick my neck out and pinpoint it and that is why i threw the question out there, get it?

 

[Bigga]

Hahaha! Mr Psychologist, can you answer why there are people who have had no prior inclination to 'other realms of conciousness' to claim they've been outside their bodies? Would that not be accessing part of the brains we are not fully concious of? Or even 'dejá vu' as an experience?

There are one or two on this forum that have spoken openly of such things. And my own mother has regaled to me tales of what she has been through... Unless she's a liar and has kept me believing bull sh*t, for no reason!

Out-of-body experiences can be brought on by stimulating the brain in a particular area with electrodes, or drugs, or it can happen as a result of lesions to the brain. This experience feels very real to the subject, but it is only happening inside the brain. The brain is extremely complex, it is constantly creating an illusion of reality for all of us. All that's happening when someone experiences an out-of-body experience is that a certain part of the brain is more active than it should be.

Once again, there is no evidence to support your claim of 'other realms of consciousness'. There is plenty of evidence to support the idea that it is something happening in the brain.

So, here's the thing for me... unless YOU have experienced it, you have to dismiss it, because it's 'not scientifically proven' or needing 'extraordinary science' to gauge it?

Tell me, how do you gauge levels of the mind by science? Call 'Ghostbusters'?

Anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. Apart from anything else, memory is very unreliable. You cannot rely on other people's testimony. I don't need to have experienced it myself. I've never been to Australia, but the evidence that it exists is overwhelming. We, and everything else that exists, is part of the physical world. Everything impinges upon that world and is therefore measurable. If something cannot be measured, it is reasonable to assume it does not exist.

Well, let's just say I don't need to rely on other people's testimony, yeah? But, I digress...

The highlighted part is what really intrigues me. As in known, there are different experiences of 'out of body' situations, but I find your post leaning to one such event, whilst not explaining others such as people leaving bodies during operations and witnessing what happens.

I can understand you would say the 'tunnel of light' is an 'electrical impulse' blah bla bla, so what happens to the body? Is it normal status? Is it reacting to what the brain is engaged in?

I'm intrigued. Really, I am.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

The problem with you, of all people writing this is you don't have a reasonable method of determining the truth. You believe all the mumbo jumbo conspiracy bullshit but have so far not been able to make one coherent argument for any of them. Your explanation for them all is " how do you explain? or what do you make of?" Why don't you take a moment and try and explain why it is that we should accept the "golden age" or "UFOs" as the truth?

The problem with you is you are the illuminated one and are so far advanced you are off scale. The ufo situation that i blindly believe in comes from the people with the calibre of Nasa personel and govt. insiders as well as seeing the odd thing or two myself; I certainly wont chuck my thoughts and beliefs in the bin because some hi-tech wizard on an internet forum shakes his/her arse. There have been various documentaries over the past years that i have seen regarding paintings in caves of Animals etc that didnt belong to the area, i have heard of a golden age but didnt wanna stick my neck out and pinpoint it and that is why i threw the question out there, get it?

I'm certainly no more illuminated than the average man. But through my life experiences and occupational training I have developed a certain level of cynicism which causes me to question what I see and hear and not to blindly believe anything. I work in a safety critical industry where lives depend on discipline and clear thinking in very high stress situations so I take life and all it has to offer seriously.

I can see that you are becoming frustrated with my counter arguments so I'll leave the thread now, but if you only want to hear support for these non mainstream ideas you should post on special interest sites where I'm sure you will find lots of people ready support you. Here on bluemoon you have to expect that not everyone will share your opinion. That isn't meant to imply any right or wrong, just that not everyone will agree.