UFO decent footage, IMO. You?

[alabaster]

Out-of-body experiences can be brought on by stimulating the brain in a particular area with electrodes, or drugs, or it can happen as a result of lesions to the brain. This experience feels very real to the subject, but it is only happening inside the brain. The brain is extremely complex, it is constantly creating an illusion of reality for all of us. All that's happening when someone experiences an out-of-body experience is that a certain part of the brain is more active than it should be.

Once again, there is no evidence to support your claim of 'other realms of consciousness'. There is plenty of evidence to support the idea that it is something happening in the brain.



Anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. Apart from anything else, memory is very unreliable. You cannot rely on other people's testimony. I don't need to have experienced it myself. I've never been to Australia, but the evidence that it exists is overwhelming. We, and everything else that exists, is part of the physical world. Everything impinges upon that world and is therefore measurable. If something cannot be measured, it is reasonable to assume it does not exist.

Well, let's just say I don't need to rely on other people's testimony, yeah? But, I digress...

The highlighted part is what really intrigues me. As in known, there are different experiences of 'out of body' situations, but I find your post leaning to one such event, whilst not explaining others such as people leaving bodies during operations and witnessing what happens.

I can understand you would say the 'tunnel of light' is an 'electrical impulse' blah bla bla, so what happens to the body? Is it normal status? Is it reacting to what the brain is engaged in?

I'm intrigued. Really, I am.

You might find this interesting:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=749#more-749" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=749#more-749</a>

When people experience out-of-body experiences during operations and think they are witnessing what is happening, their bodies, and brains, are under extreme stress. Usually, when pressed for detail of what happened, their reports are not accurate. It may be that they are aware of what people are saying and they might have seen some of the people who were present before they were anaesthetised. I don't know if you've ever been under general anaesthetic, but it can trigger some pretty freaky dreams.

 

[ElanJo]

On the subject of "out of body experiences" etc. Only the other night I had a strange experience. I woke up and couldn't move. As you know when you move your arm or whatever you don't usually think about it, so when I went to move, and found that I couldn't, I consciously tried to move but couldn't. I panicked somewhat as I kept trying to move and this coincided with a feeling that my body was warming up and that my muscles were constricting which felt entirely involuntary. It was an intense experience. If I was atall religiously minded I would be sat here telling you how I was blessed with a "hug" from Jesus/Allah etc. etc. It was sleep paralysis. I was awake but my body was still asleep. It lasted about 30 seconds.

 

[buzzer1]

I'm certainly no more illuminated than the average man. But through my life experiences and occupational training I have developed a certain level of cynicism which causes me to question what I see and hear and not to blindly believe anything. I work in a safety critical industry where lives depend on discipline and clear thinking in very high stress situations so I take life and all it has to offer seriously.

I can see that you are becoming frustrated with my counter arguments so I'll leave the thread now, but if you only want to hear support for these non mainstream ideas you should post on special interest sites where I'm sure you will find lots of people ready support you. Here on bluemoon you have to expect that not everyone will share your opinion. That isn't meant to imply any right or wrong, just that not everyone will agree.[/quote]

You are very wide of the mark if you think i am getting frustrated with you or anybody elses none agreement to my postings as i only rise to aggression these days and uncalled for rudeness,and i'm going to Wiggin tomorrow so am buzzin me nads off as i havent had a drink for a month and am off on Monday so i can have a few andy pandys tomorrow. Since joining this forum i have been educated on various topics and wholeheartedly welcomed it with open arms and amazement, its all good. As for the non mainstream reference well that sums your argument up really, in simple terms if its not in 't' paper it in't true a tell theh!!! just one more thing, the credentials of my brother are certainly not enhanced with any sort of false high, belief or other, just experience of life thats all.
PS, you say that you work in a field where lives depend on straight thinking and all that, well i think our kids field of work hinges on life and death, he was a soldier for 5 years and went to the Falklands and now has his own buisness building houses which needs a sound mind as he is dealing with and indeed fitting such things as gas etc, so lemsips, drugs and anyother bullshit alternative that you think people must be taking are delusion to say the very least, sweet dreams.

 

[Bigga]

Well, let's just say I don't need to rely on other people's testimony, yeah? But, I digress...

The highlighted part is what really intrigues me. As in known, there are different experiences of 'out of body' situations, but I find your post leaning to one such event, whilst not explaining others such as people leaving bodies during operations and witnessing what happens.

I can understand you would say the 'tunnel of light' is an 'electrical impulse' blah bla bla, so what happens to the body? Is it normal status? Is it reacting to what the brain is engaged in?

I'm intrigued. Really, I am.

You might find this interesting:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=749#more-749" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=749#more-749</a>

When people experience out-of-body experiences during operations and think they are witnessing what is happening, their bodies, and brains, are under extreme stress. Usually, when pressed for detail of what happened, their reports are not accurate. It may be that they are aware of what people are saying and they might have seen some of the people who were present before they were anaesthetised. I don't know if you've ever been under general anaesthetic, but it can trigger some pretty freaky dreams.

What would you say if a person with no mental illness(!!), doesn't/ has never taken drugs/ never drinks went through it? This person could remember the process clearly and at the end of his 'journey', found his body imprinted within his mattress, like a dead body when the blood settles?

What would you say, then...?

 

[ElanJo]

I'm certainly no more illuminated than the average man. But through my life experiences and occupational training I have developed a certain level of cynicism which causes me to question what I see and hear and not to blindly believe anything. I work in a safety critical industry where lives depend on discipline and clear thinking in very high stress situations so I take life and all it has to offer seriously.

I can see that you are becoming frustrated with my counter arguments so I'll leave the thread now, but if you only want to hear support for these non mainstream ideas you should post on special interest sites where I'm sure you will find lots of people ready support you. Here on bluemoon you have to expect that not everyone will share your opinion. That isn't meant to imply any right or wrong, just that not everyone will agree.

You are very wide of the mark if you think i am getting frustrated with you or anybody elses none agreement to my postings, since joining this forum i have been educated on various topics and wholeheartedly welcomed it with open arms and amazement, its all good. As for the non mainstream reference well that sums your argument up really, in simple terms if its not in 't' paper it in't true a tell theh!!! just one more thing, the credentials of my brother are certainly not enhanced with any sort of false high, belief or other, just experience of life thats all.
PS, you say that you work in a field where lives depend on straight thinking and all that, well i think our kids field of work hinges on life and death, he was a soldier for 5 years and went to the Falklands and now has his own buisness building houses which needs a sound mind as he is dealing with and indeed fitting such things as gas etc, so lemsips, drugs and anyother bullshit alternative that you think people must be taking are deluded to say the very least, sweet dreams.

How about some details of this experience your brother had? and what about these ancient depictions of bullets etc? Don't keep me hangin! lol

 

[buzzer1]

You are very wide of the mark if you think i am getting frustrated with you or anybody elses none agreement to my postings, since joining this forum i have been educated on various topics and wholeheartedly welcomed it with open arms and amazement, its all good. As for the non mainstream reference well that sums your argument up really, in simple terms if its not in 't' paper it in't true a tell theh!!! just one more thing, the credentials of my brother are certainly not enhanced with any sort of false high, belief or other, just experience of life thats all.
PS, you say that you work in a field where lives depend on straight thinking and all that, well i think our kids field of work hinges on life and death, he was a soldier for 5 years and went to the Falklands and now has his own buisness building houses which needs a sound mind as he is dealing with and indeed fitting such things as gas etc, so lemsips, drugs and anyother bullshit alternative that you think people must be taking are deluded to say the very least, sweet dreams.

How about some details of this experience your brother had? and what about these ancient depictions of bullets etc? Don't keep me hangin! lol

This isnt a copout Elanjo but i have deffo seen programmes on sky(nat geo and history etc) regarding bullets etc. and i'm on a sesh tomorrow so i'm off to bed in a mo, i'll have a dig around sometime on monday avvo when i return to the land of the living(no pun), and i will only say regs our kid that it was possibly a life changing moment and he was fully aware what was going on, sorry man. Stranger things have happened and you never know but one day you might meet our kid at the match and he can tell you himself, he lives in California but when he comes over i try and snag him a Wilson, so you never know. Nite nite all, blues to win and Petrov to get a brace tomorrow.

 

[alabaster]

You might find this interesting:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=749#more-749" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=749#more-749</a>

When people experience out-of-body experiences during operations and think they are witnessing what is happening, their bodies, and brains, are under extreme stress. Usually, when pressed for detail of what happened, their reports are not accurate. It may be that they are aware of what people are saying and they might have seen some of the people who were present before they were anaesthetised. I don't know if you've ever been under general anaesthetic, but it can trigger some pretty freaky dreams.

What would you say if a person with no mental illness(!!), doesn't/ has never taken drugs/ never drinks went through it? This person could remember the process clearly and at the end of his 'journey', found his body imprinted within his mattress, like a dead body when the blood settles?

What would you say, then...?

Lucid dream.

 

[ultimateharold]

Well, let's just say I don't need to rely on other people's testimony, yeah? But, I digress...

The highlighted part is what really intrigues me. As in known, there are different experiences of 'out of body' situations, but I find your post leaning to one such event, whilst not explaining others such as people leaving bodies during operations and witnessing what happens.

I can understand you would say the 'tunnel of light' is an 'electrical impulse' blah bla bla, so what happens to the body? Is it normal status? Is it reacting to what the brain is engaged in?

I'm intrigued. Really, I am.

You might find this interesting:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=749#more-749" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=749#more-749</a>

When people experience out-of-body experiences during operations and think they are witnessing what is happening, their bodies, and brains, are under extreme stress. Usually, when pressed for detail of what happened, their reports are not accurate. It may be that they are aware of what people are saying and they might have seen some of the people who were present before they were anaesthetised. I don't know if you've ever been under general anaesthetic, but it can trigger some pretty freaky dreams.

The author of that has a podcast which is pretty good. Called the Skeptics guide to the universe.

 

[Bigga]

What would you say if a person with no mental illness(!!), doesn't/ has never taken drugs/ never drinks went through it? This person could remember the process clearly and at the end of his 'journey', found his body imprinted within his mattress, like a dead body when the blood settles?

What would you say, then...?

Lucid dream.

Lucid Dreams explains 'dead weight' now?

Fook me, talk about grasping at straws...

 

[alabaster]

Lucid dream.

Lucid Dreams explains 'dead weight' now?

Fook me, talk about grasping at straws...

Well you never mentioned 'dead weight' in your post. It was quite difficult to understand what you were on about and I had to read it several times to even get close to understanding what you were trying to say. Perhaps if you'd been more clear I could have provided a better explanation.

Since you are now saying 'dead weight' it is possible the person had an episode of sleep paralysis. Someone lying in bed is a bit of a red flag as far as paranormal experiences are concerned.