UFO decent footage, IMO. You?

[alabaster]

You might find this interesting:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=749#more-749" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=749#more-749</a>

When people experience out-of-body experiences during operations and think they are witnessing what is happening, their bodies, and brains, are under extreme stress. Usually, when pressed for detail of what happened, their reports are not accurate. It may be that they are aware of what people are saying and they might have seen some of the people who were present before they were anaesthetised. I don't know if you've ever been under general anaesthetic, but it can trigger some pretty freaky dreams.

The author of that has a podcast which is pretty good. Called the Skeptics guide to the universe.

Yes it is pretty good. Steven Novella really knows what he's talking about.

 

[alabaster]

What would you say if a person with no mental illness(!!), doesn't/ has never taken drugs/ never drinks went through it? This person could remember the process clearly and at the end of his 'journey', found his body imprinted within his mattress, like a dead body when the blood settles?

What would you say, then...?

But just to add, as I said earlier in the thread, anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. Unless this person was observed under controlled conditions it is impossible to come to any firm conclusions. I can speculate, but that is all.

 

[Bigga]

What would you say if a person with no mental illness(!!), doesn't/ has never taken drugs/ never drinks went through it? This person could remember the process clearly and at the end of his 'journey', found his body imprinted within his mattress, like a dead body when the blood settles?

What would you say, then...?

But just to add, as I said earlier in the thread, anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. Unless this person was observed under controlled conditions it is impossible to come to any firm conclusions. I can speculate, but that is all.

Put it this way, the guy has no reason to lie, has been sound of mind and has only experienced it once. He's not experimented with any trials of OBE before or since and the 'event' changed his life for 3 years. In fact, he reckons it was like getting a new lease of life, seeing things through new eyes, afterwards.

I, for one, believe him.

 

[buzzer1]

But just to add, as I said earlier in the thread, anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. Unless this person was observed under controlled conditions it is impossible to come to any firm conclusions. I can speculate, but that is all.

Put it this way, the guy has no reason to lie, has been sound of mind and has only experienced it once. He's not experimented with any trials of OBE before or since and the 'event' changed his life for 3 years. In fact, he reckons it was like getting a new lease of life, seeing things through new eyes, afterwards.

I, for one, believe him.

And why should you.

 

[Bigga]

Put it this way, the guy has no reason to lie, has been sound of mind and has only experienced it once. He's not experimented with any trials of OBE before or since and the 'event' changed his life for 3 years. In fact, he reckons it was like getting a new lease of life, seeing things through new eyes, afterwards.

I, for one, believe him.

And why should you.

Cos I know him inside out.

 

[alabaster]

Put it this way, the guy has no reason to lie, has been sound of mind and has only experienced it once. He's not experimented with any trials of OBE before or since and the 'event' changed his life for 3 years. In fact, he reckons it was like getting a new lease of life, seeing things through new eyes, afterwards.

I, for one, believe him.

And why should you.

I'm assuming you meant to say 'why shouldn't you'.

I'm not saying he's lying, or that he's mentally ill, or on drugs. I'm saying you cannot rely on anecdotal evidence. There are myriad reasons for why he could have experienced what he did. Our brains are complicated, but because of the way they have to deal with vast amounts of information very quickly, they can be easily tricked. If you've ever seen a skilled magician, you will know how easy it is to be fooled.

Also, memory is extremely unreliable. I would suggest that it is very easy to become confused between something that really happened and something that was just a vivid or lucid dream. Read this artice about memory and just try to think about things a little more objectively:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/sep/16/healthandwellbeing.psychology" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/ ... psychology</a>

 

[buzzer1]

And why should you.[/quote]

Cos I know him inside out.[/quote]

Thats should be good enough mate. And Alabaster, please give me a break with the pulling on quotation, i'm sure Bigga ne
w what i was on about as it was aimed at him after all, theres enough bitchin' on here kidder. :). Now then, Wiggin here we come.

 

[ElanJo]

But just to add, as I said earlier in the thread, anecdotal evidence is completely worthless. Unless this person was observed under controlled conditions it is impossible to come to any firm conclusions. I can speculate, but that is all.

Put it this way, the guy has no reason to lie, has been sound of mind and has only experienced it once. He's not experimented with any trials of OBE before or since and the 'event' changed his life for 3 years. In fact, he reckons it was like getting a new lease of life, seeing things through new eyes, afterwards.

I, for one, believe him.

Just to be sure, are you saying that during his "OBE" he saw himself asleep or was he dead?
I have little doubt that he believes what he saw but that doesn't say anything for the truth of the matter. It should be noted that whilst he may not be lying he is emotionally invested in keeping the experience, for want of a better word, "magical", since he, as you say, thinks it gave him a new lease of life.

 

[ElanJo]

Cos I know him inside out.

Thats should be good enough mate.

If you're saying that because Bigga knows him inside out that that should be enough to know that he isn't lying, fair enough. However if you are saying that because Bigga knows him inside out that he should believe that this person actually flew outside of his body, then, no, it should not be enough.

 

[Bigga]

Put it this way, the guy has no reason to lie, has been sound of mind and has only experienced it once. He's not experimented with any trials of OBE before or since and the 'event' changed his life for 3 years. In fact, he reckons it was like getting a new lease of life, seeing things through new eyes, afterwards.

I, for one, believe him.

Just to be sure, are you saying that during his "OBE" he saw himself asleep or was he dead?
I have little doubt that he believes what he saw but that doesn't say anything for the truth of the matter. It should be noted that whilst he may not be lying he is emotionally invested in keeping the experience, for want of a better word, "magical", since he, as you say, thinks it gave him a new lease of life.

In his 'event', he heard his heart beat slow right down to the point he could no longer keep accurate count of bpm. At no point did he 'fly out of his body', but found himself in another 'realm of conciousness' that you may describe as the 'tunnel of light'. He's very clear and objective about what he 'saw'. He describes the sensation as a feeling of being partly 'omnipotent'. As being 'one' with everything, yet singular on his journey. He never reached 'the light', by the way.

A deep experience, nonetheless, me thinks.