UK far right trouble

I don't need to learn anything, I'm more than aware of not prejudicing a trial. My point was most people, it now appears rightly, assumed it to be a terrorist attack. I'm sure in the past the police and media used to refer to such attacks as, "In what appears to be a terrorist attack." Again I understand their reasons for being cautious and trying to reduce tensions but that decision backfired badly. Now as more facts emerge it will inflame tensions again.
Did people assume it was a terrorist attack?

That’s not my recollection. When it was first reported, people couldn’t believe that such an attack happened and most were wondering how somebody could do that sort of thing. It was only when false rumours of ‘foreigner’ and ‘asylum seekers’ were perpetuated that the narrative changed.
 
That doesn't really address the point that elements of the state and BBC claimed it was false/misinformation to infer that the attacker was a Jihadi and it turns out he's being charged for reading a Jihadi manual.

A shocking cover-up and the fact that people are being locked up for speaking the truth is an absolute lowpoint for our country. We are an international laughing stock and being governed by tyrants.

Evening Tommy.
 
Did people assume it was a terrorist attack?

That’s not my recollection. When it was first reported, people couldn’t believe that such an attack happened and most were wondering how somebody could do that sort of thing. It was only when false rumours of ‘foreigner’ and ‘asylum seekers’ were perpetuated that the narrative changed.

Yes, I'd say most people thought it was a terror attack. I certainly did, not sure on how many posts I have to keep on repeating the same thing.
Reports coming in that a man has run into a school hosting a girls dance class relating to Taylor Swift and started stabbing everybody. Now if he'd just targeted one girl, or one teacher, yes I'd presume it was a disgruntled ex or similar. Butchering everybody in sight, my first thoughts were it was terror related.
 
As I mentioned on another thread earlier today, it does not seem beyond the realms of possibility for someone to attempt to make use of the methods described in terrorist manuals without them necessarily subscribing to that particular terrorist ideology.

For example, I might mine something like, say, The Anarchist Cookbook or The Management of Savagery for hints and tips on how to perpetrate acts of terror without myself being either an anarchist or a Salafi-Jihadist.

With this offender, we simply don’t know what went on.

He may very well be a self-radicalised Lone Wolf jihadist. But that isn’t 100% certain. He may also possibly be schizophrenic, or in thrall to some other form of psychological or ideological derangement.

In which case, it is premature to assume that the discovery of an al-Qaeda manual vindicates the initial assumptions that were made on social media about the faith of the perpetrator of the Southport atrocity.

Plus, none of this in any way justifies what subsequently took place, namely, the besieging of a mosque and a hotel housing asylum seekers (if I remember rightly) putting those inside in fear for their lives.

Checked on X a few minutes ago and the odious Laurence Fox was once again caricaturing Islam as a ‘death cult’.

Away from this board I maintain a blog for students of A level Religious Studies.

Am going to get a shot of Fox’s tweet and, if I can find the time, will dedicate a future blog entry to the comprehensive evisceration of that ludicrous claim.
 
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I don't know what date the police found out but I'd suggest you're extremely gullible to think they found out about the Al Qaeda manual the day before the budget.

But as bad as withholding charging information from the public is, the worst cover-up/injustice is the branding of speculation about the attacker's motivations as misinformation/false/criminal when the Jihadi motive appears to be true (will have to word that carefully so I don't have the Gestapo at my house).

Locking people up for opinion/speculation is bad enough but when that opinion/speculation turns out to be true then it's even more tyrannical.

so much conspiracy shite to unpack

1/ of course they didn't. But if they find the manual as a pdf they have to explore he downloaded it to a device he could access and read it - god are you that thick? - evidence is assembled in a full investigation.

2/ charging information - since when is that public property? What were the attackers motivations? There are 2 investigations going on but if you have any information please don't bother me send it to the Merseyside Police or the Terrorist authorities. What APPEARS to be true will not stand up in law.

3/ when opinion/ speculation leads to setting fire to hotels wrecking streets attacking the Police then that is more than justified. What you are doing is trying to justify violence in July with Info in October - go ahead but its dim witted and dangerous. If you think clearly about it you can see it - I can and I can explain it to you time after time - if you want to continue to expose yourself on BM like that then so be it .......
 
Yes, I'd say most people thought it was a terror attack. I certainly did, not sure on how many posts I have to keep on repeating the same thing.
Reports coming in that a man has run into a school hosting a girls dance class relating to Taylor Swift and started stabbing everybody. Now if he'd just targeted one girl, or one teacher, yes I'd presume it was a disgruntled ex or similar. Butchering everybody in sight, my first thoughts were it was terror related.

Based on what info?
 

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