UK far right trouble

[The Future’s Blue!]

FFS!!!

 

[Indaparkside]

You're a stayer ill give you that

That’s what the wife used to say 20 years ago now it’s have you ordered your viagra:)

 

[Manc in London]

You're a stayer ill give you that

You're very polite

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

You're confusing the cases I provided which proved chanting can get you locked up with the cases I provided which proved people were getting locked up for misnaming the attacker.

As far as I know, nobody has been arrested for chanting the wrong name of the attacker. However, they have been arrested for misnaming the attacker in online posts/tweets which is a new low for our country as far as freedom of expression is concerned and something you'd more typically see in Russia or China.

fuck me its never ending

 

[KDB Fan]

You are repeating yourself constantly , we get it

If you read the post, I made a different point in a debate that I'm having with another poster that you're not involved in.

By all means join the debate and disagree/agree with it or simply ignore it but posting passive aggressive comments isn't going to get anyone to change their mind or get me to stop, you're just wasting your own time and energy.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

If you read the post, I made a different point in a debate that I'm having with another poster that you're not involved in.

By all means join the debate and disagree/agree with it or simply ignore it but posting passive aggressive comments isn't going to get anyone to change their mind or get me to stop, you're just wasting your own time and energy.

So are you, to be fair.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Just what I believe to be right/true mate. All the abuse on this thread or passive aggressive comments or physical threats from keyboard warriors are playground stuff and have zero ability to persuade me that what I'm saying is wrong...only way someone will is if they post facts or a persuasive argument to the contrary.

I think you should have a little more humility. Many of us (myself included) have spent months on this thread confidently stating that shady far right figures were spreading misinformation - which I still say they were.
You have picked on a few examples where it turns out wrong info was put out or the correct info suppressed about the attacks and think there is some grand conspiracy. The fact is that we as a population to need governed/managed or we would have anarchy. So yes, sometimes we will have to bang up the odd nutter on trumped up charges and occasionally suppress the truth, but I'd rather have that than race riots and civil war frankly.

 

[KDB Fan]

I think you should have a little more humility. Many of us (myself included) have spent months on this thread confidently stating that shady far right figures were spreading misinformation - which I still say they were.
You have picked on a few examples where it turns out wrong info was put out or the correct info suppressed about the attacks and think there is some grand conspiracy. The fact is that we as a population to need governed/managed or we would have anarchy. So yes, sometimes we will have to bang up the odd nutter on trumped up charges and occasionally suppress the truth, but I'd rather have that than race riots and civil war frankly.

I don't think it's a question of humility, I just think it's a question of basic intelligence. Are you gonna change what you believe if someone says 'ffs' or 'you are wrong' without any evidence to the contrary? I'd assume 99.9% of people would say no and find the suggestion laughable, and I'm sure you're the same so it baffles me why anybody would waste their time posting it!

Back to your other points though, I agree that anarchy is a bad idea but I disagree that anarchy or race riots is the only alternative to not suppressing the truth or locking up the occasional nutter. Up to 2024, Britain has never had a policy of locking up the occasional nutter or arresting people for misinformation and I'd say we've done pretty well in terms of avoiding anarchy. Out of curiosity, what kind of truths do you think it's okay to suppress and what truths do you think should be allowed?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I don't think it's a question of humility, I just think it's a question of basic intelligence. Are you gonna change what you believe if someone says 'ffs' or 'you are wrong' without any evidence to the contrary? I'd assume 99.9% of people would say no and find the suggestion laughable, and I'm sure you're the same so it baffles me why anybody would waste their time posting it!

Back to your other points though, I agree that anarchy is a bad idea but I disagree that anarchy or race riots is the only alternative to not suppressing the truth or locking up the occasional nutter. Up to 2024, Britain has never had a policy of locking up the occasional nutter or arresting people for misinformation and I'd say we've done pretty well in terms of avoiding anarchy. Out of curiosity, what kind of truths do you think it's okay to suppress and what truths do you think should be allowed?

The fact is that we need to suppress the primitive tribal instincts of the 'native' English population. They are getting upset by the massive shift in ethnic demographics in some areas while forgetting that 'english' is not actually a thing. Our little island has for thousands of years been populated by immigrants and this is no different. If we need to manage certain types of information (truthful or otherwise) to keep the peace then so be it. Fortunately for today's patriots those arriving in boats today are not armed like their french, Roman, or Scandinavian predecessors. Historically we have not exactly been averse to turning up in another country uninvited either.

 

[KDB Fan]

The fact is that we need to suppress the primitive tribal instincts of the 'native' English population. They are getting upset by the massive shift in ethnic demographics in some areas while forgetting that 'english' is not actually a thing. Our little island has for thousands of years been populated by immigrants and this is no different. If we need to manage certain types of information (truthful or otherwise) to keep the peace then so be it. Fortunately for today's patriots those arriving in boats today are not armed like their french, Roman, or Scandinavian predecessors. Historically we have not exactly been averse to turning up in another country uninvited either.

Do you not lose something important though when you suppress the truth and manage information?

North Korea, Saudi Arabia, China are all very orderly societies but I would much rather live in a country with more disorder and crime if it meant more freedom of expression and more access to the truth.

I'm not saying you want Britain to become North Korea but it's difficult to draw the line as to which information you suppress and which you don't.

As an example, do you think it should have been revealed that Salman Abedi was Muslim when he blew up Manchester Arena or do you think it should have been covered up?