UK far right trouble

[KDB Fan]

Tbf the stats don't tell the whole story - russians are probably less inclined to post anything that their govt wouldn't like in the first place.
I think the sickness you describe is a certain level of hypocrisy in our justice system described by RW protesters as 2 tier policing etc. it certainly is a thing, but we have to police our population appropriately to keep public order. The fact is we are an aging population that demands an increasingly comfortable lifestyle for less effort. Coupled with this is the fact that we are a nation in decline economically. Immigration on a huge scale is probably our only hope of keeping the wheels turning for another generation and beyond. The problem is that no government will admit this for fear of the electorate giving them the boot. We basically need open borders and relatively uncontrolled immigration as well as gradual reintegration with the EU if we are to survive economically.
It would be nice to have a government that would be grown up enough to say this, but having one that follows this policy direction while pretending it isn't to keep the natives happy may be for the best.

So if you accept two-tier policing is a thing, do you think it's a good thing or do you think everyone should be treated equally by the police, CPS and courts?

For example, do you think somebody who thinks mass immigration or extreme Islam is a bad thing should be treated worse by the state than somebody who believes in open borders or that Islam has no downsides?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

So if you accept two-tier policing is a thing, do you think it's a good thing or do you think everyone should be treated equally by the police, CPS and courts?

For example, do you think somebody who thinks mass immigration or extreme Islam is a bad thing should be treated worse by the state than somebody who believes in open borders or that Islam has no downsides?

It's all about management of the population. Ideally yes, everyone should be treated equally but sometimes pragmatism dictates that a situation is more easily diffused by dealing more promptly/ harshly with some than others.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

When I read that we have more people arrested/imprisoned for social media posts than Russia (if that's true) personally I think that's shameful.

Where could you possibly be reading accurate information about that sort of thing? You think the Russian government are keeping and publishing accurate statistics of how many people get arrested for posting things they disagree with?

There were literally videos at the start of the war of Russians standing with blank signs just to see if they'd get bundled into a police van. They did. Within moments.

 

[KDB Fan]

It's all about management of the population. Ideally yes, everyone should be treated equally but sometimes pragmatism dictates that a situation is more easily diffused by dealing more promptly/ harshly with some than others.

But could that not be used to persecute Muslims and people who believe in open borders as well as their opponents? Some might say there needs to be 'management of the population' due to the volume of terrorist attacks carried out by Islamic extremists in the UK but that could quite easily lead to a situation like in China (and other countries) where many Muslims are persecuted and punished for minor infractions/crime and end up behind bars for years sentenced more for their beliefs than what they've actually done.

 

[KDB Fan]

Where could you possibly be reading accurate information about that sort of thing? You think the Russian government are keeping and publishing accurate statistics of how many people get arrested for posting things they disagree with?

There were literally videos at the start of the war of Russians standing with blank signs just to see if they'd get bundled into a police van. They did. Within moments.

I read it from the previous poster I quoted but I thought for the same reasons as you that it might be hard to make a reliable comparison.

I know, those videos are shocking. But it's also shocking what we're doing in this country when we used to be global champions of free speech. I detest the fact that we're going down the Soviet/Russian model of policing information.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I read it from the previous poster I quoted but I thought for the same reasons as you that it might be hard to make a reliable comparison.

I know, those videos are shocking. But it's also shocking what we're doing in this country when we used to be global champions of free speech. I detest the fact that we're going down the Soviet/Russian model of policing information.

Are you Banned Tosspot in disguise?

 

[The perfect fumble]

It's all about management of the population. Ideally yes, everyone should be treated equally but sometimes pragmatism dictates that a situation is more easily diffused by dealing more promptly/ harshly with some than others.

I think you mean the symptoms of certain grievances are dealt with more harshly, because the grievances themselves are either beyond solution, not recognised as "valid" grievances at all, or are considered hateful.

Case in point, if you believe in multicultural Britain, which everyone it seems is required to do, then there is no dominant British culture, there can't be, or a prevailing English culture for that matter, because there are no indigenous Brits, and as there's no indigenous Brits, there's no such thing as an indigenous culture (cherishing ones culture is the exclusive preserve of ethnic minorities). Britain is a multi-cultural, multi ethnic society where everything is whatever and there's no need for ethnic minorities to integrate, or as the left like to call them the "global majority", coz there's nowt to integrate with.

Anyone who disagrees is a racist. So those who believe there is an indigenous population and there is an indigenous culture and seek to embrace it, to promote it and defend it, are flummoxed, what to do? The left despises them and the right exploit them, hijacking their discontentment for their own ends.

Clowns to the left of me....

Jokers to the right....

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

But could that not be used to persecute Muslims and people who believe in open borders as well as their opponents? Some might say there needs to be 'management of the population' due to the volume of terrorist attacks carried out by Islamic extremists in the UK but that could quite easily lead to a situation like in China (and other countries) where many Muslims are persecuted and punished for minor infractions/crime and end up behind bars for years sentenced more for their beliefs than what they've actually done.

I suppose it all comes down to a dynamic risk assessment of the situation you are currently faced with. It seems that the govt and law enforcement felt the likelihood of RW protesters burning down a hotel full of immigrants was more immediate and likely than an islamist terror attack.

It does worry me that although it serves the glee of the liberal / left to see news of yet another sentencing of an august rioter we may be repeating the mistake we made when we incarcerated a load of Islamic extremists together and inadvertantly created centers if further radicalisation to rival those of Afghanistan.
I doubt those locked up for events this summer are going to emerge from prison any less extreme than when they went in.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I read it from the previous poster I quoted but I thought for the same reasons as you that it might be hard to make a reliable comparison.

Thought, but kept it to yourself, and then quoted it as if it was true?

 

[KDB Fan]

Thought, but kept it to yourself, and then quoted it as if it was true?

A - does it matter? He and I were both making a broader point.
B - did you read my post? I clearly wrote 'if that's true' next to it.

When I read that we have more people arrested/imprisoned for social media posts than Russia (if that's true) personally I think that's shameful.

Also, just because you can't provide a reliable comparison to something doesn't make it false e.g. there are more atoms in the universe than the number of times people have touched their toes.