UK far right trouble

[Mr Kobayashi]

I've tried to and told you that I can't find one because the justice system doesn't seem to investigate crimes where anti-white violence/murder is incited which ties in with the broader point that the UK justice system is two-tier. The Simon Danczuk case supports that.

If you can find one then we can compare to see if they've got a similar length of sentence to Julie Connelly (2 and a half years) and/or Tyler Kay (3 and a half years)?

If not, then we can look at other crimes like knife crime offending where some people get heavy custodial sentences or let off completely to see whether judges have any discretion in their sentencing which, it appears, they do.

It seems like they're called 'guidelines' for a reason.


On a separate note, can I ask what sentence do you think the offender in the Simon Danczuk death threat case should get?

I've just posted a story where an Asian bloke masqueraded as a white man to stir up racial hatred. How is that not a relevant example?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

They're either being thick or disingenuous.

It's definitely the latter.

 

[KDB Fan]

You’re off your rocker and must be down some real shit-hole to believe that. Labour, and Starmer are unpopular because they haven’t done popular policies, as in, they are trying to sort the issues of the country.

He’s a boring **** anyway, having boring, unpopular policies will always hurt. Is that what really matters though? Shouldn’t it be the value of life and how we live, ensuring the NHS …

You know what, I got sucked in again.

*reminder to oneself, ‘Don’t do it’*

Some will be to do with other decisions I'm sure but you have to be extremely obtuse to think that the historic collapse that started around the 29th July had nothing to do with the response to the Southport murders:

Some of it unfair though. It's not directly Starmer's fault that the police don't investigate death threats against MP candidates or prosecute people for breaking a police officer's nose for example but as Prime Minister, he will naturally get the blame.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Some will be to do with other decisions I'm sure but you have to be extremely obtuse to think that the historic collapse that started around the 29th July had nothing to do with the response to the Southport murders:

Some of it unfair though. It's not directly Starmer's fault that the police don't investigate death threats against MP candidates or prosecute people for breaking a police officer's nose for example but as Prime Minister, he will naturally get the blame.

His approval rating went up in August (when the riots were occuring). It's absolutely due to announcing tax rises and that the economy was in the shit and somethings they promised wouldn’t be happening.

A small percentage of the population are sympathetic to rioters. Not even the majority of Reform UK voters.

 

[meltonblue]

I've tried to and told you that I can't find one because the justice system doesn't seem to investigate crimes where anti-white violence/murder is incited which ties in with the broader point that the UK justice system is two-tier. The Simon Danczuk case supports that.

If you can find one then we can compare to see if they've got a similar length of sentence to Julie Connelly (2 and a half years) and/or Tyler Kay (3 and a half years)?

If not, then we can look at other crimes like knife crime offending where some people get heavy custodial sentences or let off completely to see whether judges have any discretion in their sentencing which, it appears, they do.

It seems like they're called 'guidelines' for a reason.


On a separate note, can I ask what sentence do you think the offender in the Simon Danczuk death threat case should get?

Well for a start, when has there been a state of unrest equivalent for someone else to get the same sentence exactly as those two? Or there been a state of unrest when it was a non white community that did it and there was a subsequent riot targeting them? It’s a key aggravating factor taken away.

What you will find though is a lot of anti white sentiment is coupled with support of
groups like Isis, so the perpetrators get longer sentences as they’re prosecuted under terrorism laws too -

On Danczuk, there’s no where near enough info on that article to know. It doesn’t read like it would even be the same charge to me.

 

[stonerblue]

I've just posted a story where an Asian bloke masqueraded as a white man to stir up racial hatred. How is that not a relevant example?

He/she will ignore that.

 

[KDB Fan]

Well for a start, when has there been a state of unrest equivalent for someone else to get the same sentence exactly as those two? Or there been a state of unrest when it was a non white community that did it and there was a subsequent riot targeting them? It’s a key aggravating factor taken away.

What you will find though is a lot of anti white sentiment is coupled with support of
groups like Isis, so the perpetrators get longer sentences as they’re prosecuted under terrorism laws too -

On Danczuk, there’s no where near enough info on that article to know. It doesn’t read like it would even be the same charge to me.

Ok fair enough. My point is there's such a breadth of individual circumstances that sentencing guidelines can't take account of each and every one of them and assign one month extra, one month less etc. so judges do invariably have discretion. The aggravating/mitigating factors themselves often have no prescription as to how that should affect the sentence other than more severely/less severely so the judges have discretion on that too which is what I meant when I said sentencing isn't simply a scientific/mathematical process.

The video is on X still and easily found. I'd share it but I honestly wouldn't trust our justice system to lock me up for sharing the video but not the person who said it!
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Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on it and whether you accept that the failure to prosecute is an example of two-tier justice?

 

[Marklr]

No I don't. What new evidence is gonna come to light after all this time? None. They already have the crime on camera so what else are they waiting for...A confession?

Even if they do get charged, the delay to prosecute is in itself an example of two-tier justice. Not many people would get the privilege of however many months of freedom in the wake of the incident if they'd broke a copper's nose on camera.

You're a clueless idiot.

 

[Marklr]

They're either being thick or disingenuous.

Or they're racist cunts that are trying to stir up more hatred.

 

[meltonblue]

Ok fair enough. My point is there's such a breadth of individual circumstances that sentencing guidelines can't take account of each and every one of them and assign one month extra, one month less etc. so judges do invariably have discretion. The aggravating/mitigating factors themselves often have no prescription as to how that should affect the sentence other than more severely/less severely so the judges have discretion on that too which is what I meant when I said sentencing isn't simply a scientific/mathematical process.

The video is on X still and easily found. I'd share it but I honestly wouldn't trust our justice system to lock me up for sharing the video but not the person who said it!
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Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on it and whether you accept that the failure to prosecute is an example of two-tier justice?

There’s not enough in the public domain to know whether it is or isn’t, we don’t know what the reason for prosecution not taking place yet is. It also wouldn’t be similar to the charges we were discussing against Connelly so you’d then have to do a comparative to a more similar act once this one gets to prosecution to know.

It still doesn’t change that when you look at the two cases I mentioned and look at the judgments against the sentencing guidelines, neither of those look disproportionate and no one has yet attempted an argument to say they are.