UK out of EU

[Frank H]

People are fucked of with the EU because the end game is a super state like the bleeding US. People, myself included didn't mind the the EEC which was about trade but we don't want all the bleeding political bullshit. Even the bloody Germans are getting sick to death of the EU and they really are at the centre of it and not on the fringes like us.

Exactly my thoughts. It was the common market we joined the rest has been brought in by stealth. No problems whatsoever with trade but the super state can not go through.

There is a considerable degree of naivety and/or dishonesty in the arguments of both sides in this.

The Europhiles claim that the EU is not aiming to become a superstate, but the way things are going this will be the inevitable end result.

The Europhobes claim that we will be better off economically if we leave the EU. We won't be, and will quite probably be much worse off for the foreseeable future.

But that might be a price worth paying for preserving our independence.

 

[Seosa]

Its simple, Trade with European countries and hold good relations with them all, but don't allow what is affectively a dictatorial council to dicate to us our rules and laws. The EU has been forced down a lot of people's throats. Why is it that Ireland voted no to the EU but through EU pressure the referendum was suddenly re-done and a Yes vote was the result?

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Surely if we left the EU the Union would break up as Alex Salmond would use that reason for Scotland to join the Euro or the arc of prosperity or the Chinese Yuan...

 

[Seosa]

Surely if we left the EU the Union would break up as Alex Salmond would use that reason for Scotland to join the Euro or the arc of prosperity or the Chinese Yuan...

Salmond wants Scottish Indepedence, I don't think he has any intentions to join the Euro, unless I'm mistaken...

 

[Frank H]

Its simple, Trade with European countries and hold good relations with them all, but don't allow what is affectively a dictatorial council to dicate to us our rules and laws. The EU has been forced down a lot of people's throats. Why is it that Ireland voted no to the EU but through EU pressure the referendum was suddenly re-done and a Yes vote was the result?

The trouble is that it will be made increasingly difficult to trade with the EU on any but unfavourable terms for non-EU countries. As most of our trade is with EU countries, that will affect our economy very adversely. It's surely because they know this that most of our politicians are intent on keeping us in the EU, even while making token Eurosceptic statements.

If we go on our own way, we must be prepared for years, and probably decades, of comparative economic difficulty. But if we are concerned about retaining our independence, perhaps that's a sacrifice we should be prepared to make.

I suppose we could always apply to join the USA!

 

[Seosa]

Its simple, Trade with European countries and hold good relations with them all, but don't allow what is affectively a dictatorial council to dicate to us our rules and laws. The EU has been forced down a lot of people's throats. Why is it that Ireland voted no to the EU but through EU pressure the referendum was suddenly re-done and a Yes vote was the result?

The trouble is that it will be made increasingly difficult to trade with the EU on any but unfavourable terms for non-EU countries. As most of our trade is with EU countries, that will affect our economy very adversely. It's surely because they know this that most of our politicians are intent on keeping us in the EU, even while making token Eurosceptic statements.

If we go on our own way, we must be prepared for years, and probably decades, of comparative economic difficulty. But if we are concerned about retaining our independence, perhaps that's a sacrifice we should be prepared to make.

I suppose we could always apply to join the USA!

There are ways of boosting the Economy, though if you dare suggest such ideas you can get cut down for thinking so. Slashing foreign aid is something I'd implement rather quickly...

 

[Frank H]

Its simple, Trade with European countries and hold good relations with them all, but don't allow what is affectively a dictatorial council to dicate to us our rules and laws. The EU has been forced down a lot of people's throats. Why is it that Ireland voted no to the EU but through EU pressure the referendum was suddenly re-done and a Yes vote was the result?

The trouble is that it will be made increasingly difficult to trade with the EU on any but unfavourable terms for non-EU countries. As most of our trade is with EU countries, that will affect our economy very adversely. It's surely because they know this that most of our politicians are intent on keeping us in the EU, even while making token Eurosceptic statements.

If we go on our own way, we must be prepared for years, and probably decades, of comparative economic difficulty. But if we are concerned about retaining our independence, perhaps that's a sacrifice we should be prepared to make.

I suppose we could always apply to join the USA!

There are ways of boosting the Economy, though if you dare suggest such ideas you can get cut down for thinking so. Slashing foreign aid is something I'd implement rather quickly...

Foreign "aid" - not as simple a matter as it's sometimes made out to be. If the recipients are induced to use the aid to buy from Britain for example, we might actually gain from it.

But in any case it's actually only a pimple on the economy. Any amount saved will be negligible in the context of the economy as a whole. Much more imaginative and difficult measures need to be done to boost the economy.

But is the economy everything? I would agree that the economy should be as strong as possible - but should that be at the cost of losing more and more of our ability to make our own decisions?

 

[PJMCC1UK]

Its simple, Trade with European countries and hold good relations with them all, but don't allow what is affectively a dictatorial council to dicate to us our rules and laws. The EU has been forced down a lot of people's throats. Why is it that Ireland voted no to the EU but through EU pressure the referendum was suddenly re-done and a Yes vote was the result?

The trouble is that it will be made increasingly difficult to trade with the EU on any but unfavourable terms for non-EU countries. As most of our trade is with EU countries, that will affect our economy very adversely. It's surely because they know this that most of our politicians are intent on keeping us in the EU, even while making token Eurosceptic statements.

If we go on our own way, we must be prepared for years, and probably decades, of comparative economic difficulty. But if we are concerned about retaining our independence, perhaps that's a sacrifice we should be prepared to make.

I suppose we could always apply to join the USA!

So we should allow them to threaten us. Why would we have to rely so heavily on the EU anyway. There are lots of countries we can trade with. India is rich and would need some of the things we sell. And we usually give contracts to the Germans when we can do them ourselves so we'd save money there.

 

[u2fme2]

cant come soon enough for me

 

[Frank H]

Its simple, Trade with European countries and hold good relations with them all, but don't allow what is affectively a dictatorial council to dicate to us our rules and laws. The EU has been forced down a lot of people's throats. Why is it that Ireland voted no to the EU but through EU pressure the referendum was suddenly re-done and a Yes vote was the result?

The trouble is that it will be made increasingly difficult to trade with the EU on any but unfavourable terms for non-EU countries. As most of our trade is with EU countries, that will affect our economy very adversely. It's surely because they know this that most of our politicians are intent on keeping us in the EU, even while making token Eurosceptic statements.

If we go on our own way, we must be prepared for years, and probably decades, of comparative economic difficulty. But if we are concerned about retaining our independence, perhaps that's a sacrifice we should be prepared to make.

I suppose we could always apply to join the USA!

So we should allow them to threaten us. Why would we have to rely so heavily on the EU anyway. There are lots of countries we can trade with. India is rich and would need some of the things we sell. And we usually give contracts to the Germans when we can do them ourselves so we'd save money there.

No, we shouldn't allow them to threaten us!

I would favour leaving the EU, so long as people realise we would be facing many years of increased economic and political difficulties. If we stick it out, we may well end up economically strong after all. But it's a big "If" - as I suspect that very many would not be prepared to ride out the storm.