UKIP

[Damocles]

UKIP reject man made climate change.

That's enough for me to understand that they haven't got the slightest fucking clue what they're talking about, and if they aren't going to look into this in any detail, then why should I expect them to be people who are actually proficient enough to run a country?

Not as bad as politicians who do believe in it but are prepared to do fuck all about it

I disagree.

Knowing information and deciding not to act on it is actually slightly less stupid than not only not understanding but actively denying one of the largest, widespread and most evidenced phenomena in the history of scientific endeavour.

I accept people who sort of understand that it's happening but aren't really sure to what extent or what to do about it. However, people who deny the very idea that man is having an effect on the global climate are fucking idiots. Beavers are having an effect on the global climate, the idea that man isn't is ridiculous beyond all logic.<br /><br />-- Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:11 pm --<br /><br />

UKIP reject man made climate change.

That's enough for me to understand that they haven't got the slightest fucking clue what they're talking about, and if they aren't going to look into this in any detail, then why should I expect them to be people who are actually proficient enough to run a country?

Not as bad as politicians who do believe in it but are prepared to do fuck all about it

Why should we do anything about it?

The funny thing is, the anti-immigration crowd should be screaming about doing something about it.

 

[crizack]

UKIP reject man made climate change.

That's enough for me to understand that they haven't got the slightest fucking clue what they're talking about, and if they aren't going to look into this in any detail, then why should I expect them to be people who are actually proficient enough to run a country?

because previous parties and current parties are so good at it? crime rates at it's lowest is it? borrowing is at it's highest, banks are more or less fucked, it's nigh impossible for anyone earning under £45k a year to get on the property ladder and exams are getting easier because the education system is fucked. In essence, with the people you choose to vote for, the future generations of british children are going to be crime causing, debt riddened homeless thick shits. Yes, Really proficient.

 

[Damocles]

UKIP reject man made climate change.

That's enough for me to understand that they haven't got the slightest fucking clue what they're talking about, and if they aren't going to look into this in any detail, then why should I expect them to be people who are actually proficient enough to run a country?

because previous parties and current parties are so good at it? crime rates at it's lowest is it? borrowing is at it's highest, banks are more or less fucked, it's nigh impossible for anyone earning under £45k a year to get on the property ladder and exams are getting easier because the education system is fucked. In essence, with the people you choose to vote for, the future generations of british children are going to be crime causing, debt riddened homeless thick shits. Yes, Really proficient.

We call this a strawman.

You said that I said that previous parties are proficient, then destroyed that idea (rightly or wrongly).

I never said what you said I did. I said that UKIP aren't proficient enough to run the country. This makes no judgement on anybody else.

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

The problem I have with UKIP is that they take otherwise Tory votes, which makes it more likely for Labour to get back in - if that happens we might as well collectively top ourselves.

 

[Damocles]

Not as bad as politicians who do believe in it but are prepared to do fuck all about it

I disagree.

Knowing information and deciding not to act on it is actually slightly less stupid than not only not understanding but actively denying one of the largest, widespread and most evidenced phenomena in the history of scientific endeavour.

I accept people who sort of understand that it's happening but aren't really sure to what extent or what to do about it. However, people who deny the very idea that man is having an effect on the global climate are fucking idiots. Beavers are having an effect on the global climate, the idea that man isn't is ridiculous beyond all logic.

man made climate change is a myth for left wing tax rising mp's and academics with a grant they want to keep













waits

I was "this close" before I saw the name and the big gap.

 

[Lucky13]

These fascists will never get my vote.

Winston, a Croydon resident of 50 years, arrived from Clarendon, Jamaica aged five. A popular local figure, he is known for his tireless work in unpaid roles and projects on behalf of the vulnerable and disenfranchised, both young and old.

[bigimg]http://www.ukip.org/media/_leader/winmacwestminster.jpg[/bigimg]

is he one of your mates?

Don't be silly , i'd never let a nazi in our house.

 

[hilts]

UKIP reject man made climate change.

That's enough for me to understand that they haven't got the slightest fucking clue what they're talking about, and if they aren't going to look into this in any detail, then why should I expect them to be people who are actually proficient enough to run a country?

Not as bad as politicians who do believe in it but are prepared to do fuck all about it

I disagree.

Knowing information and deciding not to act on it is actually slightly less stupid than not only not understanding but actively denying one of the largest, widespread and most evidenced phenomena in the history of scientific endeavour.

I accept people who sort of understand that it's happening but aren't really sure to what extent or what to do about it. However, people who deny the very idea that man is having an effect on the global climate are fucking idiots. Beavers are having an effect on the global climate, the idea that man isn't is ridiculous beyond all logic.

-- Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:11 pm --

Not as bad as politicians who do believe in it but are prepared to do fuck all about it

Why should we do anything about it?

The funny thing is, the anti-immigration crowd should be screaming about doing something about it.

My point is not accepting climate change makes you stupid which is at least an excuse, accepting it but not doing anything about it makes you morally bankrupt and not fit to hold any position of power

i have more sympathy for a stupid person than a dishonest one, obviously neither should be running a country

Although you will probably find Farage is maybe seeking votes from people who prefer not to accept the truth

 

[SWP's back]

Not as bad as politicians who do believe in it but are prepared to do fuck all about it

I disagree.

Knowing information and deciding not to act on it is actually slightly less stupid than not only not understanding but actively denying one of the largest, widespread and most evidenced phenomena in the history of scientific endeavour.

I accept people who sort of understand that it's happening but aren't really sure to what extent or what to do about it. However, people who deny the very idea that man is having an effect on the global climate are fucking idiots. Beavers are having an effect on the global climate, the idea that man isn't is ridiculous beyond all logic.

-- Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:11 pm --

Why should we do anything about it?

The funny thing is, the anti-immigration crowd should be screaming about doing something about it.

My point is not accepting climate change makes you stupid which is at least an excuse, accepting it but not doing anything about it makes you morally bankrupt and not fit to hold any position of power

i have more sympathy for a stupid person than a dishonest one, obviously neither should be running a country

Although you will probably find Farage is maybe seeking votes from people who prefer not to accept the truth

Tell me how a UK government can do anything (of benefit) to stop ACM?

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

UKIP reject man made climate change.

That's enough for me to understand that they haven't got the slightest fucking clue what they're talking about, and if they aren't going to look into this in any detail, then why should I expect them to be people who are actually proficient enough to run a country?

He said that “Our conclusion is that there probably isn’t a problem and even if there were, there are cheaper and more effective ways of dealing with it, such as adapting to climate change.”

“If you closed the whole carbon economy for 41 years you would only forestall one degree of warming”.

"As a result he said that UKIP’s policy would be to cease funding for the IPCC, pull out of the EU’s Carbon Trading Scheme and would establish a Royal Commission that would allow scientists on both sides of the debate to research climate change and come to a conclusion.

This, he said, would allow politicians to then act sensibly in response to the science rather than spending billions at a time of recession on ineffective carbon emission measures, when “the science is not settled”.

Lord Pearson welcomed the policy as a possible vote winner, citing a recent Guardian poll which found that the number of people sceptical of climate change has increased 50 per cent to around four out of five people, despite the three main parties giving a high priority to fighting climate change."


Seems sensible enough to me, though I don't know enough about it to debate this with you properly.

 

[sir baconface]

No, because you've made up what overpopulation means to England.

Overpopulation means above the best possible population for the country. There are ways of determining the best possible population for the country that is a complicated and time consuming task. You haven't even given this any thought at all, you've just randomly made something up as a number which is the "correct" population based on absolutely nothing.

Your whole argument is stupid and moronic.

-- Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:17 pm --

What do you think is the correct population for England, and please show your reasoning based on economic and physical markers?

There's no precise number and you know it. Let's not try and turn it into some academic statistical debate. Using eyes, ears and commonsense most people would say the UK's finances, housing stock and services are already under enough strain to justify controlling population numbers carefully right now.

Ah, common sense. That thing that tell us that the Earth is flat and the Sun and Moon orbit the Earth in semi circle patterns. Yeah, we should totally trust that about a complex and national issue instead of actually looking into it in any way.

As a moderator you could do with keeping the smart-arsed comments to yourself.