UKIP

[Rascal]

Strangely, Rascal is probably the only poster on this thread that has ever called for the forced repatriation of an immigrant (thaksin), so It's perhaps a little unfair to call him a leftie unless you mean like Stalin.

Thaksin's human rights record probably played some part in that.

And seeing as he's a Communist, I think it's quite easy to bracket Rascal with Stalin. Especially when he probably wouldn't think twice about executing 20m slightly right-thinking people.

Yes his human rights record wasnt the best.

Im not a Stalinist, im a Socialist with some Marxist tendencies.

Immigration is good for the country, the UK needs workers as strange as that may sound with so many unemployed. But a man laid off from a building site cant suddenly become an aerospace engineer and such. We also have the problem of low birthrates. We need people in the future to work to pay for our pensions etc. If the population falls the people in work wil be left with a bigger tax burden or we will have smaller pensions.

As for Europe im not rabidly pro or anti. I think it needs a drastic overhaul if we are to stay members. If we stay in I would like to see it become Democratic, perhaps even have an elected EU president and again if we stay in we have to at some point join the single currency. If we leave and thats a possibilty, i worry we will be isolated in the world. We no longer have an empire and the Commonwealth no longer relies on us. I worry that the CBI predict leaving will cost a million jobs.

Much is made in parts of our press about bonkers Brussels directives such as the ridiculous straight banana nonsense, yet can any of you really say the EU has a big impact on your life. It doesnt in my opinion as our parliament remains soveriegn and passes laws relevant to the UK.

UKIP to me is a party of the far right who cleverly marriage far right ideology with soft left social policy. It does appeal to voters across the political spectrum as it uses the politics of fear especially with its rhetoric on immigration. I recall a party called NSDAP once doing it vry succesfully.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

No, because you've made up what overpopulation means to England.

Overpopulation means above the best possible population for the country. There are ways of determining the best possible population for the country that is a complicated and time consuming task. You haven't even given this any thought at all, you've just randomly made something up as a number which is the "correct" population based on absolutely nothing.

Your whole argument is stupid and moronic.

-- Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:17 pm --

There's no precise number and you know it. Let's not try and turn it into some academic statistical debate. Using eyes, ears and commonsense most people would say the UK's finances, housing stock and services are already under enough strain to justify controlling population numbers carefully right now.

Ah, common sense. That thing that tell us that the Earth is flat and the Sun and Moon orbit the Earth in semi circle patterns. Yeah, we should totally trust that about a complex and national issue.

Go to places like Bradford and Oldham and you will see why many are voting UKIP and BNP.

If I lived in Oldham I would vote for instant nuclear armageddon.
But I think the real reason why so many people there vote BNP is that they just have a vast amount of very stupid and ignorant young white dickheads who don't have a day's work in them but would rather moan about hard-working immigrants instead.

 

[hilts]

Surely if you are pro/anti immigration, want larger concrete jungles at the expense of the countryside or love/hate the EU the least we should expect is we have a right to determine what kind of country we want to live in.

I dont remember Labour's manifesto mentioning mass immigration or the tories claiming they were in favour of building houses in the green belt, in my view all the main parties have let us down and will continue to do so.

I think it would be a good idea if your left thinking vote for the communists or some derivitive and if your to the right vote UKIP.

These parties would never win an election but if the main parties get a proper kicking it will start the ball running

 

[lloydie]

Farage's views on the "Islamification of Britain" mark him out as a prize cockwomble.

 

[Lucky13]

These fascists will never get my vote.

Winston, a Croydon resident of 50 years, arrived from Clarendon, Jamaica aged five. A popular local figure, he is known for his tireless work in unpaid roles and projects on behalf of the vulnerable and disenfranchised, both young and old.

[bigimg]http://www.ukip.org/media/_leader/winmacwestminster.jpg[/bigimg]

 

[lloydie]

These fascists will never get my vote.

Winston, a Croydon resident of 50 years, arrived from Clarendon, Jamaica aged five. A popular local figure, he is known for his tireless work in unpaid roles and projects on behalf of the vulnerable and disenfranchised, both young and old.

[bigimg]http://www.ukip.org/media/_leader/winmacwestminster.jpg[/bigimg]

is he one of your mates?

 

[hilts]

These fascists will never get my vote.

Winston, a Croydon resident of 50 years, arrived from Clarendon, Jamaica aged five. A popular local figure, he is known for his tireless work in unpaid roles and projects on behalf of the vulnerable and disenfranchised, both young and old.

[bigimg]http://www.ukip.org/media/_leader/winmacwestminster.jpg[/bigimg]

What a strange argument that is

 

[Damocles]

UKIP reject man made climate change.

That's enough for me to understand that they haven't got the slightest fucking clue what they're talking about, and if they aren't going to look into this in any detail, then why should I expect them to be people who are actually proficient enough to run a country?

 

[hilts]

UKIP reject man made climate change.

That's enough for me to understand that they haven't got the slightest fucking clue what they're talking about, and if they aren't going to look into this in any detail, then why should I expect them to be people who are actually proficient enough to run a country?

Not as bad as politicians who do believe in it but are prepared to do fuck all about it

 

[SWP's back]

UKIP reject man made climate change.

That's enough for me to understand that they haven't got the slightest fucking clue what they're talking about, and if they aren't going to look into this in any detail, then why should I expect them to be people who are actually proficient enough to run a country?

Not as bad as politicians who do believe in it but are prepared to do fuck all about it

Why should we do anything about it?