UKIP

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I meant leftie, ie left winger. I'm sure you and Skashion both know what I meant.

For me the difference between a 'leftist' and a 'rightist', economically at least, comes down to different ways of defining 'fairness'. To me, a fair society is one where everybody pays the same amount of tax. If I pay £100, my neighbour pays £100. I guess a 'leftist' would consider this unfair - a fair society in their view is one where if you earn more money you should pay more money.

I know that equal taxation for all is unworkable but that is beside the point - the point is about what is deemed fairer, equal taxation for all or unequal taxation based on wealth.

No amount of debate on this or any other forum will change my view on what is fair, and I'm sure that's true for all the 'leftists' on here too, so we are in effect banging our heads against a brick wall.

Maybe we could help understand by a quick thought experiment. Say your neighbour was desperately poor and made £101 per week and you were a billionaire who paid £100,000,000 a week. Do you think that it is fair that both pay £100 per week in taxes, the whole point of which is to suppor the common good?

The above is example is obviously unworkable, but do I think that it is fair that everyone pays the same regardless of how much money they have? Yes

I hope for your sake that you also like living behind a security fence and not being able to go out at night, because that's the World that awaits you if your plan comes to fruition.

 

[The Flash]

Maybe we could help understand by a quick thought experiment. Say your neighbour was desperately poor and made £101 per week and you were a billionaire who paid £100,000,000 a week. Do you think that it is fair that both pay £100 per week in taxes, the whole point of which is to suppor the common good?

Damo, Damo, Damo.

You cant argue sense with our right wing nutjobs, they are nutjobs.

Nutjobs on the right forget we are pack animals who work best together and profer the rights of the individual to take advantage of the weak in order to better themselves. The right has always been selfish and self centred. It mistakes freedom from interference in there lives as being free, when if they we were truly free they would be on there own and vulnerable with a wallet full of cash but nothing to spend it on.

Is anyone else worried?

Who's going to tell Rascal that Communism failed, that the Berlin Wall has been torn down and the Cold War is over?

 

[Mike D]

Maybe we could help understand by a quick thought experiment. Say your neighbour was desperately poor and made £101 per week and you were a billionaire who paid £100,000,000 a week. Do you think that it is fair that both pay £100 per week in taxes, the whole point of which is to suppor the common good?

Damo, Damo, Damo.

You cant argue sense with our right wing nutjobs, they are nutjobs.

Nutjobs on the right forget we are pack animals who work best together and profer the rights of the individual to take advantage of the weak in order to better themselves. The right has always been selfish and self centred. It mistakes freedom from interference in there lives as being free, when if they we were truly free they would be on there own and vulnerable with a wallet full of cash but nothing to spend it on.

Is anyone else worried?

Who's going to tell Rascal that Communism failed, that the Berlin Wall has been torn down and the Cold War is over?

The same person who's gonna tell you that right wing politics has failed too, and that Hitler was defeated and his politics/ ideologies very much like UKIP are just plain racist and wrong.

 

[metalblue]

Maybe we could help understand by a quick thought experiment. Say your neighbour was desperately poor and made £101 per week and you were a billionaire who paid £100,000,000 a week. Do you think that it is fair that both pay £100 per week in taxes, the whole point of which is to suppor the common good?

The above is example is obviously unworkable, but do I think that it is fair that everyone pays the same regardless of how much money they have? Yes

I hope for your sake that you also like living behind a security fence and not being able to go out at night, because that's the World that awaits you if your plan comes to fruition.

That's why it's unworkable, whilst it is fair that we all pay the same, if we did that life would become impossible for many therefore it becomes "fair" that the more you earn the more you pay. Our current tax system has aspects that aren't especially "fair" but that's down to how our governments decide to spend our taxes more than anything else, I'd welcome a simpler system mind.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Damo, Damo, Damo.

You cant argue sense with our right wing nutjobs, they are nutjobs.

Nutjobs on the right forget we are pack animals who work best together and profer the rights of the individual to take advantage of the weak in order to better themselves. The right has always been selfish and self centred. It mistakes freedom from interference in there lives as being free, when if they we were truly free they would be on there own and vulnerable with a wallet full of cash but nothing to spend it on.

Is anyone else worried?

Who's going to tell Rascal that Communism failed, that the Berlin Wall has been torn down and the Cold War is over?

The same person who's gonna tell you that right wing politics has failed too, and that Hitler was defeated and his politics/ ideologies very much like UKIP are just plain racist and wrong.

Excellent. After nearly 30 pages, and admittedly a few nudges in this direction from myself (without success) some plumb has finally invoked Godwin :-

Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is an argument made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2][non-primary source needed] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler and the Nazis.
Godwin's law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread Reductio ad Hitlerum form.[citation needed] The Reductio ad Hitlerum attempts to refute a view because it has been held by Hitler.[4] The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses, irrespective of whether it is appropriate. Precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.[5]
Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[6] the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches.[7]

I'm surprised it took this long - take a bow Mike D sir, you are truly the voice of reasoned political debate.

 

[Mike D]

Is anyone else worried?

Who's going to tell Rascal that Communism failed, that the Berlin Wall has been torn down and the Cold War is over?

The same person who's gonna tell you that right wing politics has failed too, and that Hitler was defeated and his politics/ ideologies very much like UKIP are just plain racist and wrong.

Excellent. After nearly 30 pages, and admittedly a few nudges in this direction from myself (without success) some plumb has finally invoked Godwin :-

Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is an argument made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2][non-primary source needed] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler and the Nazis.
Godwin's law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread Reductio ad Hitlerum form.[citation needed] The Reductio ad Hitlerum attempts to refute a view because it has been held by Hitler.[4] The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses, irrespective of whether it is appropriate. Precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.[5]
Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[6] the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches.[7]

I'm surprised it took this long - take a bow Mike D sir, you are truly the voice of reasoned political debate.

When you take UKIP and right wing politics to the extstreme what else do you you get then smart arse.

 

[SWP's back]

Damo, Damo, Damo.

You cant argue sense with our right wing nutjobs, they are nutjobs.

Nutjobs on the right forget we are pack animals who work best together and profer the rights of the individual to take advantage of the weak in order to better themselves. The right has always been selfish and self centred. It mistakes freedom from interference in there lives as being free, when if they we were truly free they would be on there own and vulnerable with a wallet full of cash but nothing to spend it on.

Is anyone else worried?

Who's going to tell Rascal that Communism failed, that the Berlin Wall has been torn down and the Cold War is over?

The same person who's gonna tell you that right wing politics has failed too, and that Hitler was defeated and his politics/ ideologies very much like UKIP are just plain racist and wrong.

Can you give me examples of their racist "Nazi like" policies?

 

[The Flash]

Is anyone else worried?

Who's going to tell Rascal that Communism failed, that the Berlin Wall has been torn down and the Cold War is over?

The same person who's gonna tell you that right wing politics has failed too, and that Hitler was defeated and his politics/ ideologies very much like UKIP are just plain racist and wrong.

Can you give me examples of their racist "Nazi like" policies?

Mike D - Getting up on the wrong side of the bed, since this morning.

Mike, I was simply taking the piss out of Rascal. Lots of people do it. Infact, it's poor form if you don't.



Love you Rasc.

 

[Mike D]

Is anyone else worried?

Who's going to tell Rascal that Communism failed, that the Berlin Wall has been torn down and the Cold War is over?

The same person who's gonna tell you that right wing politics has failed too, and that Hitler was defeated and his politics/ ideologies very much like UKIP are just plain racist and wrong.

Can you give me examples of their racist "Nazi like" policies?

UKIP say they will “End support for multiculturalism and promote one, common British culture”

 

[Damocles]

Is anyone else worried?

Who's going to tell Rascal that Communism failed, that the Berlin Wall has been torn down and the Cold War is over?

The same person who's gonna tell you that right wing politics has failed too, and that Hitler was defeated and his politics/ ideologies very much like UKIP are just plain racist and wrong.

Excellent. After nearly 30 pages, and admittedly a few nudges in this direction from myself (without success) some plumb has finally invoked Godwin :-

Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies[1][2]) is an argument made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2][non-primary source needed] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler and the Nazis.
Godwin's law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread Reductio ad Hitlerum form.[citation needed] The Reductio ad Hitlerum attempts to refute a view because it has been held by Hitler.[4] The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses, irrespective of whether it is appropriate. Precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.[5]
Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[6] the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches.[7]

I'm surprised it took this long - take a bow Mike D sir, you are truly the voice of reasoned political debate.

This is not Godwin's Law, he is discussing the similarity of a right wing political party holding what he believes to be racist views to a very famous right wing political party holding what he believes to be racist views. The comparison is apt, and Godwin's Law doesn't apply so why you think you're some mastermind trying to provoke people into it I have no idea.