UKIP

[blueish swede]

I see the same old tired 'racist', 'Nazi', 'fascist,' nonsense is still being touted. Can any of the 'offended' crew discuss UKIP's policies, or is it just the usual pish?

What's the point? UKIP will never be in a position to implement any of their policies. They're like the Superbowl half time ads - lots of hype noise and kerfuffle but they're not what any one is actually there for. The UKIPpers will be putting their tinfoil millinery on top of the wardrobe and sneaking back to the Tory club in a couple of weeks.

They address a concern in the Country that may be brought to the attention of the parties that want to be in power if we worked on your theory, every party other than the Tories and Labour might as well not bother.

That's not reallly true. Besides the Lib Dems having a historical reason for existing they are a centrist party who have similarities with the right wing of Labour and "wet" Tories, so it's not unimaginable they could find common ground. Most of the other parties have broad commonality with either the Tories or Labour but have an additional dimension of having a Nationalist or Unionist agenda, so again they can find common ground.
UKIP (and the Greens) are on the extremes of the political spectrum. They would need to deliver on their "keynote/fruitcake" policies in order for them to retain any support. Otherwise there is no point in voting for them. They just become tinfoil hat Tories.
If UKIP did what the LibDems did and rolled over for the Tories on everything they would be wiped out in 2020. But the Tories are never going to let UKIP get any of their keynote policies through - ever. Even if UKIP negotiate well enough to get to the debate stage the Tories will withdraw the whip and allow a free vote and UKIP will lose.

 

[Rascal]

In the Leaders debate the faux outrage against Farage for talking about Health tourists was pathetic l

I hope the facist c**ts German wife does not use our NHS.

I never had you down as the anti-immigrant 'send 'em back' type Rasc, and tbh I think she's probably entitled to use the NHS under current law.

Thank you for pal for the answer to my post as it shows one thing

UKIP encourage division where it does not exist

 

[argyle]

In the Leaders debate the faux outrage against Farage for talking about Health tourists was pathetic , he was telling the truth, this article if from 2012.

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Yes from 2012 and they were plans, not exactly implemented. I'll try and find the article tomorrow but I read that the stats Farage was using were dodgy as although he mentioned the HIV sufferers were foreign born the majority of them were British citizens and caught the disease whilst here in the UK.

He's a politician who will pick and choose stats and word things differently to appeal to people to get elected.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

waiting for the Tory "Vote UKIP and you let in SNP backed Labour and will never get your referendum and your lives will be down the shitter as a result" propaganda.

 

[EalingBlue2]

As someone whose dad grew up in Thanet and whose grandparents lived in Birchington and Cliftonville until they died I saw a lot of the area and its decline.

I do find it amazing how immigrants are blamed though including by my own grandfather when quite clearly that has fuck all to do with the issue. Immigrants came in because it was dirt cheap and half empty

Thanet declined when package holidays, air travel, started , go back to the 60's (and for two centuries before) half of Those able to take holidays from London travelled there. The injection of money was huge and the economy thrived. Once Spain and Portugal and the south of France became realistic alternatives then tourism collapsed. With the collapse everything about those towns economies collapsed as has happened in seas side towns all around the country.

The main reason Thanet is a UKIP hot bed is because white English Londoners quite rightly decided the beaches and weather in Spain were a better bet for their holiday. I bet half the hoteliers in Margate did the same too.

Now of course immigrants are blamed for the decline but in truth if they weren't there it would probably be even worse!

Still usually UKIP areas don't even have immigrants it is the fear of possible impending immigrants that is enough to send UKIP supporters into a tail spin.

Still UKIP could change Margate, they could offend Europe so much that we don't get allowed back and then Margate could become a thriving centre for holidays again!

 

[Lucky13]

As someone whose dad grew up in Thanet and whose grandparents lived in Birchington and Cliftonville until they died I saw a lot of the area and its decline.

I do find it amazing how immigrants are blamed though including by my own grandfather when quite clearly that has fuck all to do with the issue. Immigrants came in because it was dirt cheap and half empty

Thanet declined when package holidays, air travel, started , go back to the 60's (and for two centuries before) half of Those able to take holidays from London travelled there. The injection of money was huge and the economy thrived. Once Spain and Portugal and the south of France became realistic alternatives then tourism collapsed. With the collapse everything about those towns economies collapsed as has happened in seas side towns all around the country.

The main reason Thanet is a UKIP hot bed is because white English Londoners quite rightly decided the beaches and weather in Spain were a better bet for their holiday. I bet half the hoteliers in Margate did the same too.

Now of course immigrants are blamed for the decline but in truth if they weren't there it would probably be even worse!



Still usually UKIP areas don't even have immigrants it is the fear of possible impending immigrants that is enough to send UKIP supporters into a tail spin.

Still UKIP could change Margate, they could offend Europe so much that we don't get allowed back and then Margate could become a thriving centre for holidays again!

There is a few on here with connections to Thanet , I grew up in Ramsgate and there are plenty of areas in Kent that dispell the rich South East myth.

Flooded by Northerners in the 80's who wanted to sign on by the sea and immigrants now , the Cinque Ports have been in decline for years , you'd think that UKIP would walk this in the Election, I'm not convinced Farage will win this or any other seat.

 

[CityStu]

Isn't the reason for UKIP's popularity in the Kent ports the EU restrictions on fishing that have destroyed those businesses on the North Sea coast?

 

[stonerblue]

Heard another belter from Farage yesterday on tin-pot local radio saying all the refugees heading to Italy should be, "Rounded up and sent back to where they came from."

Alf Garnett anyone..?

 

[whp.blue]

Heard another belter from Farage yesterday on tin-pot local radio saying all the refugees heading to Italy should be, "Rounded up and sent back to where they came from."

Alf Garnett anyone..?

in all fairness He also said he would allow entry for North African refugees especially Christians

 

[Lucky13]

Heard another belter from Farage yesterday on tin-pot local radio saying all the refugees heading to Italy should be, "Rounded up and sent back to where they came from."

Alf Garnett anyone..?

After travelling through several Countries to get to England , how many would you let in?