ULEZ Letter

[halfmist]

We clearly need to move to road user charging due to loss from duty on petrol and diesel. You can't put the same duty on electric, otherwise it would impact on your heating etc. The other alternatives are raise other taxes e.g. income tax or VAT or cut spending by the amount.

Out of those options, surely continuing to charge motorists based on how much they use their vehicle is the fairest? The difficulty comes in how you differentiate between the electric equivalents of the cheap supermini and the brand new V8 Range Rover. Currently mpg means the bigger vehicle pays more, but if it's purely a mileage charge it wouldn't matter

Charging by the mile seems the fairest way.
For it to work, keep it simple.
The more expensive and less efficient vehicles already pay additional tax, be it VAT when the vehicle is purchased or fuel duty VAT when the vehicle is used

 

[halfmist]

Yes, fair enough. I realise the road infra will still need paying for. What we actually spend on roads though is a fraction of the tax take from motorists. The ammount we pay at the fuel pumps alone is pretty much the same as what the public purse puts into (privatised) railways each year. Not sure how that works really.

You need to pop over to the RMT thread, there are plenty who would explain how the railways works, though at the moment it often doesn’t !

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

You can get street furniture that cleans the air, but I doubt it'll be used for that. The purpose of it is to encourage people out of the most polluting vehicles which will result in cleaner air for all.

Right, but in probably the worst cost of living crisis I can remember I suspect that dumping a car that doesn't comply for a brand new one wouldn't be top of most families' priorities.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Charging by the mile seems the fairest way.
For it to work, keep it simple.
The more expensive and less efficient vehicles already pay additional tax, be it VAT when the vehicle is purchased or fuel duty VAT when the vehicle is used

I suppose fuel duty is already a sort of per mile tax - the more you use, the more you pay.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Right, but in probably the worst cost of living crisis I can remember I suspect that dumping a car that doesn't comply for a brand new one wouldn't be top of most families' priorities.

You don't need to buy a brand new car.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

You don't need to buy a brand new car.

Indeed not, but the capital outlay for one that conforms will still be a major purchase, and I suspect few families have budgeted for an extension of the zone, let alone voted for it!

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Indeed not, but the capital outlay for one that conforms will still be a major purchase, and I suspect few families have budgeted for an extension of the zone, let alone voted for it!

According to TFL figures 90% of cars in outer London are ULEZ compliant.

Over 90 per cent of cars driving in outer London now meet the ULEZ standards

New data shows that over 90 per cent of cars driving in outer London now meet the ULEZ standards

tfl.gov.uk

 

[Blue Maverick]

According to TFL figures 90% of cars in outer London are ULEZ compliant.

Over 90 per cent of cars driving in outer London now meet the ULEZ standards

New data shows that over 90 per cent of cars driving in outer London now meet the ULEZ standards

tfl.gov.uk

And when they change the criteria yet again more people will need newer cars, 10% is a lot of cars, yet someone said it would only affect 2% I wish they’d make their minds up.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

And when they change the criteria yet again more people will need newer cars, 10% is a lot of cars, yet someone said it would only affect 2% I wish they’d make their minds up.

It wasn't me and from what I could tell it was his own calculations not TFL's.

So not sure of the relevance.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

According to TFL figures 90% of cars in outer London are ULEZ compliant.

Over 90 per cent of cars driving in outer London now meet the ULEZ standards

New data shows that over 90 per cent of cars driving in outer London now meet the ULEZ standards

tfl.gov.uk

How many of the 90% have come out of a family budget?