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nellyonthewing said:
Actually I think you are jumping the gun here. 'Fixed' implies a conspiracy or agreement to achieve a particular outcome.
Officials in the game are incompetent rather than corrupt.
What we actually are seeing is an unconnected series of individuals (the media) who have an overwhelming tacit allegiance to the rags, or are scared of the shitstorm (the officials) that the media unleash if they come down against the rags.
I refuse to accept that referees and linesmen are on the phone to Gill or getting bungs . No its just the media pressure, a media made up of plastic rags.
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Just have a quick read of this mate (if you haven't already)....

https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/calciopoli-2006-match-fixing-scandal-juventus-relegated

...swap the Italian name MOGGI for, errrrr, lets randomly pick a Scottish one, say FERGUSON (for example) and tell me honestly that you don't see any parallels between there and here.

Go on, I dare you ;)
 
nellyonthewing said:
Actually I think you are jumping the gun here. 'Fixed' implies a conspiracy or agreement to achieve a particular outcome.
Officials in the game are incompetent rather than corrupt.
What we actually are seeing is an unconnected series of individuals (the media) who have an overwhelming tacit allegiance to the rags, or are scared of the shitstorm (the officials) that the media unleash if they come down against the rags.
I refuse to accept that referees and linesmen are on the phone to Gill or getting bungs . No its just the media pressure, a media made up of plastic rags.
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Nearly every manager who comes to Old Trafford says they will not get the rub of the green and in the main it turns out that way.

No matter your definition of corruption , refs and officials / assistants often turn a blind eye to incidents that result in a benefit to Manure at the expense of the opponent as was the case yesterday on more than one occasion.

When it happens time and time again and the likes of Leslie and Pulis call it for what it is time and time again it goes well beyond the guise of sour grapes.

Call it bias or collusion or call it corruption if you like but its blatant favouritism and why a ref would do this and do it intentionally is always because of a pay off of some kind not necessarily monetary.

Most refs I would assume want the game at Old Trafford as its nearly always going to be televised in front of 70k or so and their chance to be in the spotlight.

Refs are no different to players they have egos and they need them messaged.
 
I can just about buy the fact that the ref missed Ibrahimovic's elbow at the time. It's presumably pretty hard to keep an eye on everything that happens in a penalty area at a corner, and it was difficult to detect in real time.

However, the replays are conclusive and it will be a sham if he escapes a retrospective ban for it. It's all over the back pages (despite what the agenda-ists thought). Surely he'll be punished.
 
Ric said:
I can just about buy the fact that the ref missed Ibrahimovic's elbow at the time. It's presumably pretty hard to keep an eye on everything that happens in a penalty area at a corner, and it was difficult to detect in real time.

However, the replays are conclusive and it will be a sham if he escapes a retrospective ban for it. It's all over the back pages (despite what the agenda-ists thought). Surely he'll be punished.
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The whole premier league thing is already a sham.. You really don't have to wait with baited breath for this cliff- hanger outcome...
 
Does anyone have the count of the number of times that players have deliberately tried to head butt Z's elbow?
 
Bluekiwi said:
Does anyone have the count of the number of times that players have deliberately tried to head butt Z's elbow?
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Well, off the op off my head, there have been...
1) the shoulder charge with the raised elbow against Otomendi in September (think that went unpunished)
2) a "perceived" elbow against Cabaye at Palace in December (no on-field action taken, he was one yellow away from a ban at the time - went to the disciplinary board who threw out the case because it wasn't bad enough to get a red - and he scored the winner that day too)
3) another jumping shoulder charge with elbow against West Brom around Christmas time (yellow card)

The Palace game also saw one of Rojo's two footers go unpunished too, another two footed lunge from Rojo was away at Eveton, but back to Zlatan...

...the Everton game also saw him bring down the fullback, roll around on top of him for a bit, then "accidentally" rake his face with his boot.
...plenty of face grabbing in one of their Thursday night intertoto cup matches.
...plenty of falling over in the area with no yellow cards for "simulation"
...think he's thrown a couple of defenders to the deck as well but can't remember who or when

The list probably isn't complete but it's a start and I'm sure some helpful people will be around when it gets light to add the rest of his "perceived" misdemeanors to complete the list for you
 
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Bluekiwi said:
Does anyone have the count of the number of times that players have deliberately tried to head butt Z's elbow?
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I've lost count of how many times he's elbowed City players, never mind all the others players/teams in the league that he's done it to.

Elbowing then spitting at Zabba TWICE are the ones that really stick in my mind.
 
alib said:
Disgraceful from the officials today. How come United weren't given an offside goal?

They got there obligatory penalty , opposition player sent off , United player(s) not given red cards

Anyone who doesn't believe football is fixed is a cretin
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Cynical but true, if ever there was evidence that certain officials are trying their best to get the Rags into the top 4 then this game was it. Only the incompetence of their shooting & some decent goalkeeping stood in the way. Interesting as well that yet again it's Kevin Friend at the centre of controversy. A ref who has screwed us a few times and has admittedly not able to impartially ref a Leicester game, therefore showing that he may well let his feelings sway his decision making. I also saw this morning that he was on the lash with the Alty fan Taylor recently, spending some of that brown envelope money from the Far East methinks
 
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