United (a) post-match thread

[SB Blue]

He is trying hard to be,he is the worst manager for understanding how much shit blues have taken from living in the same city(sort of) and being battered by them on the pitch for ever,it doesn't matter if we are light yrs away from them now,it's fucking derby day

If he stopped saying how much more history they have than us and blowing smoke up their arses for 5 mins he might just get it

Arrrggghhh

I find it frustrating, although the rag reaction amusing. When we were shit they always said playing them was our cup final, when they lost they said it didn't matter as they'd still finish above us and we'd win F All, well the boot is well and truly on the other foot. First time since 2010 or so they've done the double over us? Didn't we do the double over them in 07/08 under Sven for the first time in my living memory - am sure that was forgotten at the end of the season, we just need to finish the same way.

 

[CC1]

Are we changing tack?

When was that even a point mentioned earlier in the discussion?

I am sure it was "does Pep get the derby, he gets the Barca Real one" and I answered that honestly, more honestly than your reply that is for sure.

So I'll wait while you go and find my quote that says Pep is failing us, I fear you may be a while but yes some of his decision making has been wrong, you would have to be pretty dumb to think he is infallible.

Dropping Fernie from the 1st leg of the quarter-finals in the champs league v Spurs is one, do you not agree?

Goodness, you’re going back a bit now. So it’s not just this season that’s bothering you.

Agree nobody is infallible but it’s always easy to judge in hindsight ie if we lose.

I think he’s doing a great job & some of the surprising team selections have been successful but remain unquestioned because we won.

Given our past, I find it amazing to have someone who is in many circles, considered to be one of the best managers in the world, as our manager.

I don’t expect any human being to be 100% correct especially when he has no jurisdiction on injuries; VAR; biased media & a corrupt system which he (& we) continually have to fight.

I’ve no issue with you mate but sometimes I feel the need to defend players & manager when I read some of the comments on this forum by our so called fans (not having another go at you personally when I say that)

 

[OB1]

no its not
but i demand 100% and no quarter given v them in any game
what i saw yesterday was an utter disgrace ,nobody came out of that game with a modicum of effort or credibilty

Then I wasn't addressing you.

What I will say to you is that the idea that the players didn't put in a modicum of effort is plain nonsense. They put in plenty of effort; could they have put in a bit more? Maybe but it wasn't lack of effort that prevented them winning: it was not achieving a sufficiently high level of performance in terms of quality.

 

[OB1]

It is mine.

That's sad if true.

 

[OB1]

Yes, he understands that Derby fine being a Catalonian.

The fact he once gifted them a carling cup match by playing youth players and helping them recover some sort of form afterwards, also hints at not kicking the ****s when they are down attitude, whereas us as fans would have had them fucking buried.

The 2nd leg this season was a stage-managed 1-0 defeat, he did enough to get us through, the fact that we took our foot off the gas at 3-0 in the 1st leg when we should have buried them by 6 or more could also be attributed to him saying we have done enough lads, keep out of harms way for 45 mins etc

Except that he was clearly pissed off with the team for not finishing them off.

 

[OB1]

Yours are truly the words of a pompous, inconsequential tit.

Yawn.

 

[bluealf]

Except that he was clearly pissed off with the team for not finishing them off.

The post was answered already earlier.

But I will repeat and expand a little...

He is the manager, the undoubted leader, they do as they are told, Pep's way or gone, right?

He is unhappy at the end because they lifted the foot off the gas, we are talking about the guy that bounces about in his technical area all match long shouting and yelling and talking the players through the game, so at no point in that second half he never yelled get your arses back in gear or if he did or words to that effect the players willfully ignored him and continued to breeze through the half until they scored and got a boost for the remainder of the game.

How many times do these players do this btw? It seems like a trait that has been seen more than a few times.

 

[OB1]

It was an arrogant comment from a couple of tossers. If anything is small time it’s thinking a half-billion squad plus expensive manager don’t need turn up for games they don’t fancy. Even when they are big games for the supporter base. That attitude disrespects our history and it disrespects long-standing fans.

You don't half spout some bullshit. No one thinks they shouldn't turn up for any game. Pep certainly doesn't. He hates losing to anyone. He's as demanding a manager as there is of his players. That's why his teams win so much.

And for the record, I hate City losing any game; especially to the Rags.

 

[OB1]

The post was answered already earlier.

But I will repeat and expand a little...

He is the manager, the undoubted leader, they do as they are told, Pep's way or gone, right?

He is unhappy at the end because they lifted the foot off the gas, we are talking about the guy that bounces about in his technical area all match long shouting and yelling and talking the players through the game, so at no point in that second half he never yelled get your arses back in gear or if he did or words to that effect the players willfully ignored him and continued to breeze through the half until they scored and got a boost for the remainder of the game.

How many times do these players do this btw? It seems like a trait that has been seen more than a few times.

Performance levels go up and down: the players are not robots.

If players consistently fail to do what Pep wants, for whatever reason, you are right, they will be gone.

 

[bluealf]

Performance levels go up and down: the players are not robots.

If players consistently fail to do what Pep wants, for whatever reason, you are right, they will be gone.

That isn't really what was being discussed, they took their foot off the gas not performance level going down or anything to do with them being robots, it was willful, they thought they had done enough, which they had done but again, another 45 like the first and it would have destroyed our rivals and set them back all over the place.

 

[sir baconface]

You don't half spout some bullshit. No one thinks they shouldn't turn up for any game. Pep certainly doesn't. He hates losing to anyone. He's as demanding a manager as there is of his players. That's why his teams win so much.

And for the record, I hate City losing any game; especially to the Rags.

Give over. There have been plenty of half-arsed performances and “this-game’s-not-important” team selections.

If you actually read the thread, you’d find that’s hardly a unique view.

Half a dozen players have regressed and we have a 25% loss rate in a one-horse league.

 

[lasereyes]

Probably been said, but the game hinged on a dodgy (bent) decision. We were well on top until Dean took about 3 seconds to blow for a nothing challenge that nobody 'in the ground' seemed arsed about. Maybe someone whispered something in his ear?

At that point we had had more than 80% possession, but strangely committed more fouls. Pretty much all of our players heads dropped as they must have known what was going on. It was going to be another one of those games that no matter how hard we tried the Rag's were always going to be at least a goal to the good at the final whistle.

The players should be stronger, and they should be able to cope with that kind of thing, but it definitely takes the edge off your game if you know you are going to get screwed no matter what.

Two dodgy bent decisions - Aguero scored a perfectly good goal.

 

[TFC]

Fuck off rag ****s. On to the next.

 

[mat]

What will we get in return for bending over for the rag ****s.

Another domestic treble?

Rewatching the match and watching how static our defence was on various United attacks. It makes me wonder if we threw the game.

 

[nellyonthewing]

I'm still fuming over this result. I was one of the small number who called a defeat in the Bluemoon poll but though I feared another performance like we've served up recently against the rags I hoped Pep surely could not fall for the same "sit back ,let them have the ball then hit them on the break tactic".Damn me but he did fall for it once again. fool me once shame on you,fool me twice shame on me , fool me three times and I'm a .............

 

[Keeper!]

When was the last time Fernandinho played in his natural position ? Wouldn’t mind but he’s not much of a centre half and would try Garcia or even Rodri there instead.

Get over the Fernandinho in midfield argument. He is finished there, his legs have gone, his energy levels are not superhuman like in the past.

After Laporte he is our best CB, like it or not.

 

[alexmcity]

Give over. There have been plenty of half-arsed performances and “this-game’s-not-important” team selections.

If you actually read the thread, you’d find that’s hardly a unique view.

Half a dozen players have regressed and we have a 25% loss rate in a one-horse league.

Losing form in the league after two incredible seasons and winning everything in England is normal, especially if you count the severe injury crisis at CB and also the fact that legends like Silva, Aguero and Fernandinho are aging. Despite all this we can still win a cup treble this season which has never been done by any English team before. After it became obvious we couldn't defend the title, whether we finish 10, 15 or 25 pts behind the dippers doesn't really matter. We need to give playing time in the league to squad players and see how they perform and prepare them for important games. It's a squad game, especially for clubs wanting to win multiple trophies.

Pep is a winner, more than his critics in this thread combined, this is why he has won more trophies than any other active manager now. He is the last man who would tolerate half-arsed performances. That many fans question him on this count is baffling.

 

[OB1]

Give over. There have been plenty of half-arsed performances and “this-game’s-not-important” team selections.

If you actually read the thread, you’d find that’s hardly a unique view.

Half a dozen players have regressed and we have a 25% loss rate in a one-horse league.

Maybe we are talking at cross purposes. I was referring to the idea that Pep doesn't get what Derbies mean to fans.

As to views not be unique, that doesn't make them right or wrong but I don't agree with the idea that Pep makes “this-game’s-not-important” team selections. That's just not his ethos and he makes that plain often enough. That though is a different point to whether he gets what fans feel as is how the team have performed this season.

 

[alexmcity]

Why play Zinch and not Mendy? Because we need to prepare Zinch for Real as well as possible, Mendy isn't available for the 2nd leg.

Why play Cancelo? We've promised him things when he signed, he isn't going to make it unless he plays in important games, and not only against rubbish teams. We may need him at some point in the CL, if Walker is unavailable for some reason.

Why play Aguero over Jesus? Because he is Aguero and because he is not likely to start against Madrid, that is, to keep him happy.

Why start Sterling over Jesus? Because we need Sterling to regain form.

Why start Foden over Mahrez? Because Foden deserves a start in a big game after his performance in the cup final.

Why not start Mahrez over Bernardo? Because Bernie is generally superb at Manure's ground, scored in the last games there.

Ultimately, we lost because Eddie had a shocker, not because the selection was rubbish. The first goal helped the rags a lot, they were content to sit deep which made it difficult for us.

 

[Keeper!]

Why play Zinch and not Mendy? Because we need to prepare Zinch for Real as well as possible, Mendy isn't available for the 2nd leg.

Why play Cancelo? We've promised him things when he signed, he isn't going to make it unless he plays in important games, and not only against rubbish teams. We may need him at some point in the CL, if Walker is unavailable for some reason.

Why play Aguero over Jesus? Because he is Aguero and because he is not likely to start against Madrid, that is, to keep him happy.

Why start Sterling over Jesus? Because we need Sterling to regain form.

Why start Foden over Mahrez? Because Foden deserves a start in a big game after his performance in the cup final.

Why not start Mahrez over Bernardo? Because Bernie is generally superb at Manure's ground, scored in the last games there.

Ultimately, we lost because Eddie had a shocker, not because the selection was rubbish. The first goal helped the rags a lot, they were content to sit deep which made it difficult for us.

#Ultimately, we lost because Eddie had a shocker, not because the selection was rubbish. The first goal helped the rags a lot, they were content to sit deep which made it difficult for us."

We lost the game because we were appalling, had a bad attitude and were general "not up' for the game, in my book unacceptable, however many trophies we have won over the last few years.

And with the game a derby against hated opponents , made it even worse.