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Akanji said he actually only turned up to this at the end, but at least Grealish and Walker give a shit, I guess.
 
ojeme said:
You seem to ignore the consequences of having a slow midfield against a deadly counter-attack. I repeat, it’s suicide. Bernardo on attack can be very ineffective many times because he doesn’t have that burst of pace that keeps defenders on their toes. Yes they know he’s got trickery in spades but they know that they just need to keep an eye on him without committing. They know that they need to show him to the right because he doesn’t have pace to go outside and whip a cross. At least we know that Bernardo has played out wide a number of times this season. He’s not been special there for the most part with Bluemooners always suggesting to Pep that the middle is his forte. There’s no two ways about it. You are raving about Gundo but this season too he’s not done anything special.

Foden is our main attacking threat apart from KDB and Haaland but unfortunately he’s been off color for sometime. Painful that none of the other attackers are consistent enough to stake a claim on the role. Alvarez does okay from time to time but Jesus is a totally different player. If it worked for Jesus on the right, that’s not sufficient data to conclude that Alvarez on the left would work - versus manyoo.

You can fault any of the players today but the ones you are suggesting have not really pulled up trees this season whether it’s Gundo or Bernardo wide right or Alvarez wide left or even Grealish. If we set up the way you suggested we’d probably be down by 2 at half time because the players would be all over the place in unfamiliar roles.

Christ!
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Well, this is asinine!

We were outdone by a counterattack because we didn't control the middle with one forward ball playing midfielder. Outdone by a counterattack with Bernardo in the centre as you input.

Your point is NULLIFIED if we can't gain control of the middle to feed the wings, which is most effective when Gundogan plays with Rodrigo, but for some dumb arse reason, you can't see it. Gundogan offers ball retention and vision through the middle even if his pace is moderate and that's why you have Rodrigo and Laporté, for example, to cover and read the play if it breaks down.

Conveniently, you gloss over Bernardo being ineffectual in the centre in this game because the oppo had a mobile middle. This is where Gundogan excels as he drives through and knows when to release a ball. I love Bernardo, but I don't recall him attempting that at all, so the ball went back to defence and recycled to the wings where they controlled the positions.

This is why you break the lines via midfield with the right personnel!

Grealish proved you wrong and we haven't tried Alvárez on the wings in this league, but he's played there in Argentina according to himself as well as River Plate. The point was to drive the defence back with press which never happened yesterday and they always had room to play out. Notice they forced us wide by pressing us as we should have done them? We're much better at it with the right players!

For some reason you keep claiming we'd "probably" have been 'down by xx' amount when we've played similar mids and that's, in no way, happened. Especially as you, laughably, claim the players would have been in "unfamiliar roles" with my team pick!! Have you seen the formation we've been playing with, recently??!! LOL!

The set up was right, yesterday, but the personnel wrong and those are the cards you play with when players are out of form, make poor decisions as a result, but you try and make them play through it.

I'm ending this discussion as you don't see what I see, but I saw what you saw, play out on the pitch.
 
Boo or Boo-urns said:
Bernardo had the ball in midfield, about to launch an attack, then Rashford pulled up with an injury, the ref didn't stop play, Bernardo bayed by the crowd played the ball into touch so Rashford could get assistance.

3 minutes ticked by, when the extra-time was added, we got 1 minute back for good sportmanship.
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Thats because we were finishing the half as the better side..........and they needed to get saint rashy in the dressing room asap.

They need to make room outside the old toilet for more statues..........atwell, webb, riley, defiant, with whistle in mouth signalling another dodgy goal, all rag legends.
 
I wonder if they will change the law now like they did after our goal at Villa, what is stop Haaland standing in the 18 yard box from now on with no intention of touching the ball, it would cause mayhem. All he has to do is stand there the keeper will need an eye on him the ball is played to him he lets it run past, wtf does the keeper and any defender do. The league have created a huge mess with this decision now and let’s see how many others try it and it gets ruled out.
 
Still fucked off about it. Thought I’d be more philosophical about it by now. But nope. The worst bit is all the inbred fucking rags who are now specialists in the intricacies of the rules wanking themselves silly over their ill gotten gains.

It’s going to be fucking awful at work tomorrow.
 
Blue Maverick said:
I wonder if they will change the law now like they did after our goal at Villa, what is stop Haaland standing in the 18 yard box from now on with no intention of touching the ball, it would cause mayhem. All he has to do is stand there the keeper will need an eye on him the ball is played to him he lets it run past, wtf does the keeper and any defender do. The league have created a huge mess with this decision now and let’s see how many others try it and it gets ruled out.
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100% agree.....rule mid season lol
 
HelloCity said:
I mean, wow

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Next time Akanji (or whoever it is and whatever team they play for) would be well advised just to trip Rashford up as soon as he’s started to run past as he would then be deemed ‘active’. Foul and red card might be given but would then be overturned due to the offside.
 
JTFactsPlz said:

Akanji said he actually only turned up to this at the end, but at least Grealish and Walker give a shit, I guess.
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Grealish was smashing into everyone at the end of the game and had a right to-do with Martinez. Absolutely loved his passion and his goal celebration also in front of the fans. It’s a shame his goal in the end meant very little as honestly there isn’t a player I’d wanted to have scored more. Hopefully it’s the confidence boost he needs to really kick on now
 
Blue Maverick said:
I wonder if they will change the law now like they did after our goal at Villa, what is stop Haaland standing in the 18 yard box from now on with no intention of touching the ball, it would cause mayhem. All he has to do is stand there the keeper will need an eye on him the ball is played to him he lets it run past, wtf does the keeper and any defender do. The league have created a huge mess with this decision now and let’s see how many others try it and it gets ruled out.
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Maybe we need to start making game plans around such and incorporate the rule into our armoury,take advantage of the mess.
 
I've never been so sanguine about such a controversial decision. The die was cast years ago and through a drip drip process I've accepted we can't beat the system. So much empirical evidence to back it up but alas I now accept it as the norm. I've been brow beaten into submission. Personally speaking yesterday was the definitive proof of something totally underhand going on.
It's not going to change..they are simply protecting the "brand"
I shall however continue my support unbowed and undeterred
 
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FantasyIreland said:
Rashford was offside,Fernandes wasn't.

Rashford never touched the ball so the rules don't cover interfering with play in the manner in which you claim.He didn't ACTIVELY obstruct Akanji,who waas 2 yards behind and never getting back,neither did he obstruct Walker or Ederson.

Rashfords presence most definitely affected the decisions of the our players,but seemingly that isn't against the rules and is the reason the officials came to their decision.

And just in case you are confused.....once again,i agree that it is bollocks and the game has gone if that is deemed a legitimate goal.
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So technically we could play with 9 men offside and sheild the ball and block the defenders run as long as the player who touches it runs from an onside position....
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Next time Akanji (or whoever it is and whatever team they play for) would be well advised just to trip Rashford up as soon as he’s started to run past as he would then be deemed ‘active’. Foul and red card might be given but would then be overturned due to the offside.
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From the LotG:

In situations where:
• a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence
• an offence is committed against a player in an offside position who is already playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the offside offence is penalised as it has occurred before the foul challenge

In practice what this means is Akanji would be sent off under the first clause but Shaw would be allowed to foul Haaland under the second. You can’t win when the officials are bent and the rules have enough ambiguity to be open to manipulation.
 
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