United (H) Post Match Thread

[paulchapo]

"There's nothing embarrassing about showing emotion", in general no, but there can be ways of showing emotion that impinge on others mentally and in some situations physically. Too often uncontrolled anger and totally uncontrolled ranting and raving on public forums (anyone can read Bluemoon posts) is excused by the term "only showing emotion". The OP said " I know this is a forum for discussion but some of the slagging off for our manager and greatest ever players has been staggering." intentional or not this didn't solely refer to the matchday thread, and the behavior referred to is not confined to that thread. We all have different ways of feeling the pain of a derby loss, some cry, we used to laugh ironically, some roar , some go into a silent sulk, but some carry it away beyond what a civilised society finds acceptable such as physical or verbal thuggery. How we can show our emotions in private you suggest is different to how we show them in public.
You said " If we were doing it at games I'd feel ashamed yes but we're not so no I certainly don't". Why would someone be ashamed by it in front of K46 fans but not ashamed when it is posted here where any other member or any one who Googles Bluemoon can read it or journalists can quote it to ridicule all our fans, as they have done in the past. I don't want to misrepresent what the OP was thinking about but I don't think it was you or I , "ranting, celebrating, being pissed off and ecstatic all in one ninety minutes" at home in private, but the fact that the behaviour referred to in the OP is being spewed in public and to at least the OP and others is "embarrassing the club". Maybe the Club or the players don't read it and members can choose to ignore it, but why should they have to sift through a gutter infiltrated by what appears to be a few posters, maybe not even City fans, to access what a football forum is designed for, discussing football. CTID,

It is what it is. As others and myself have said it's nothing new. As fan's we are spectators, critiques of what we see before us. Just like someone goes to watch a film or a band or performer we pay to be entertained. Okay at the moment we are not paying unless we are paying sky or bt but you know what I mean.

Now a performer may have had rave reviews for years and been superb. But if on the day a crowd goes to watch him and he's poor all those past superb performances count for nothing to those people at that moment. They will say, " When I saw him he was crap." With great performances comes expectations, standards and if the performer falls below those that he has set then he faces criticism. It isn't the best analogy, with sport there is more loyalty and passion involved and an opponent trying to outdo you but you get the gist.

Everyone who has slagged off the team and Pep knows we have a great manager, set up and squad, arguably the best in world football. Everyone is thrilled with what we have achieved and the possibility of what we may yet still achieve. It won't stop the rants, slagging off or hand wringing the next time we lose a game though and if you could come back in a hundred years it would be the same. It is human nature, it is emotion,good or bad take it or leave it.

I would feel ashamed if such was heaped onto the players and manager at a game yes, because that would directly effect them. It won't here as I doubt any come here or read anything. As for any journalists they certainly don't need our help to slag off our club or try to destabilise it.

People place too much importance on this forum and it's impact, both positive and negative. It is one of millions around the globe. It is a place to have a voice, laugh, joke, rant, argue and agree or disagree. We have moderators to sift out the worst posts. You are on a basically freedom of speech forum my friend you won't like everything's that is written but you'll just have to suck it up I'm afraid, or block the posters that upset you the most, job done.

 

[sandiegoblue]

Every tolerance,but it wasnt a question,it was an accusation,and a relevant thread already existed for his attention seeking,as ive explained.

Personally, I have no issue with a question being posed in this forum along with an opinion being expressed. It’s what generates the discussion, and it is a forum after all. I find it interesting reading the differing opinions, and that’s all they are....opinions. If we all agreed, this would be a really boring forum aside from the humour. Regards the motive for posting, whether it be attention seeing or not in this particular case, only the poster knows that. It could be argued that anyone who posts is seeking attention at some level, whether it be notoriety, or just to get a reaction.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Personally, I have no issue with a question being posed in this forum along with an opinion being expressed. It’s what generates the discussion, and it is a forum after all. I find it interesting reading the differing opinions, and that’s all they are....opinions. If we all agreed, this would be a really boring forum aside from the humour. Regards the motive for posting, whether it be attention seeing or not in this particular case, only the poster knows that. It could be argued that anyone who posts in seeking attention at some level, whether it be notoriety, or just to get a reaction.

Fair enough,ive made my point.

 

[Keeper!]

People pissed off at losing to your rivals, what a disgrace.

 

[mccity]

"There's nothing embarrassing about showing emotion", in general no, but there can be ways of showing emotion that impinge on others mentally and in some situations physically. Too often uncontrolled anger and totally uncontrolled ranting and raving on public forums (anyone can read Bluemoon posts) is excused by the term "only showing emotion". The OP said " I know this is a forum for discussion but some of the slagging off for our manager and greatest ever players has been staggering." intentional or not this didn't solely refer to the matchday thread, and the behavior referred to is not confined to that thread. We all have different ways of feeling the pain of a derby loss, some cry, we used to laugh ironically, some roar , some go into a silent sulk, but some carry it away beyond what a civilised society finds acceptable such as physical or verbal thuggery. How we can show our emotions in private you suggest is different to how we show them in public.
You said " If we were doing it at games I'd feel ashamed yes but we're not so no I certainly don't". Why would someone be ashamed by it in front of K46 fans but not ashamed when it is posted here where any other member or any one who Googles Bluemoon can read it or journalists can quote it to ridicule all our fans, as they have done in the past. I don't want to misrepresent what the OP was thinking about but I don't think it was you or I , "ranting, celebrating, being pissed off and ecstatic all in one ninety minutes" at home in private, but the fact that the behaviour referred to in the OP is being spewed in public and to at least the OP and others is "embarrassing the club". Maybe the Club or the players don't read it and members can choose to ignore it, but why should they have to sift through a gutter infiltrated by what appears to be a few posters, maybe not even City fans, to access what a football forum is designed for, discussing football. CTID,

Well said

 

[sandiegoblue]

Fair enough,ive made my point.

Fair play to you. I enjoyed reading your posts. Meanwhile, I’m sure we are all in agreement that we need a win tomorrow and it would be great if a solid performance is put in by all.

 

[samarasra]

Every tolerance,but it wasnt a question,it was an accusation,and a relevant thread already existed for his attention seeking,as ive explained.

I thought the question mark at the end of the first sentence was a dead giveaway that it was a question . "Now the dust has settled, do the real blues who post regularly on here think that some of the posts have been acceptable? ".
It's late, I'm tired, but definitely a ?.

 

[mosssideblue]

There's nothing embarrassing about showing emotion, especially after losing a derby against a team we know we are better than, but seem to have a tendancy to shoot ourselves in the foot when we play them.

We could have just won the quadruple then in the last game of the season play the rags in some rearranged nothing at stake game, lose and all hell would break loose. Us older long standing Blues hate them with good reason and that's just the way it is

I get all the "In the greater scheme of things it doesn't matter if we win the league, cups etcetera" posts but yes it does. Blues on here still go on about not sealing the title against them when 2-0 up at half time. That's six trophies later and a centurion season under our belts but it still pisses people off and so it should, we wouldn't be Blues if a derby defeat didn't hurt like fuck. Pep and the players can distance themselves and be professional and that's fine but we're fan's and for us it is our hearts and emotion that lead the way.

The match day thread again is just nerves fraying and emotion. We're not at the game so the player's can't hear it. Yes it goes over the top at times, people are screaming a player is shit and the next minute he scores but it is what it is. At the game we'd swallow our disappointment and get behind the players even more to urge them on. We can't do that now so the frustration comes out in rants. If we were doing it at games I'd feel ashamed yes but we're not so no I certainly don't. The day I stop ranting, celebrating, being pissed off and ecstatic all in one ninety minutes is the day I stop breathing. City till I die.

Round of applause mate, top post

 

[samarasra]

It is what it is. As others and myself have said it's nothing new. As fan's we are spectators, critiques of what we see before us. Just like someone goes to watch a film or a band or performer we pay to be entertained. Okay at the moment we are not paying unless we are paying sky or bt but you know what I mean.

Now a performer may have had rave reviews for years and been superb. But if on the day a crowd goes to watch him and he's poor all those past superb performances count for nothing to those people at that moment. They will say, " When I saw him he was crap." With great performances comes expectations, standards and if the performer falls below those that he has set then he faces criticism. It isn't the best analogy, with sport there is more loyalty and passion involved and an opponent trying to outdo you but you get the gist.

Everyone who has slagged off the team and Pep knows we have a great manager, set up and squad, arguably the best in world football. Everyone is thrilled with what we have achieved and the possibility of what we may yet still achieve. It won't stop the rants, slagging off or hand wringing the next time we lose a game though and if you could come back in a hundred years it would be the same. It is human nature, it is emotion,good or bad take it or leave it.

I would feel ashamed if such was heaped onto the players and manager at a game yes, because that would directly effect them. It won't here as I doubt any come here or read anything. As for any journalists they certainly don't need our help to slag off our club or try to destabilise it.

People place too much importance on this forum and it's impact, both positive and negative. It is one of millions around the globe. It is a place to have a voice, laugh, joke, rant, argue and agree or disagree. We have moderators to sift out the worst posts. You are on a basically freedom of speech forum my friend you won't like everything's that is written but you'll just have to suck it up I'm afraid, or block the posters that upset you the most, job done.

I agree with virtually every word you have said and appreciate your reply. As a music fan and parent of 2 musicians/actress, I think it is an appropriate analogy. I also believe in freedom of speech with the proviso that the underappreciated right to it should be respected by not abusing the right. The OP posed the question whether some of the posts went beyond acceptable and doubtless you will agree that what is or is not "acceptable" is subjective and wide ranging. I do think that some people back off venting abuse at matches, not to spare the team or players but to avoid a negative response from others around them ie they are afraid or embarrassed. On a public forum the same people think they are untouchable and have no responsibility or restraint in the level of abuse they dish out.
To return to the music analogy, in my opinion saying something like "when I saw him he was crap" is on a very low scale of abuse and if you read the OP again I doubt that that is what the question referred to. Some posts on a number of threads go way beyond performance "criticism" , nothing to do with slagging as generally understood, and have nothing to do with football. The moderators may think differently or may not be aware of some of the stuff, but I think the OP is entitled to raise the issue as a topic of reasoned discussion. Performance criticism is one level but should posts that veer towards personal abuse, potentially defamatory statements not based on facts and unrelated to the performance be acceptable ?.
So after seeing the musician not perform to the level expected you are "emotional" and you say in the moment "when I saw him he was crap" do you then go on his fan forum slagging the performance, saying he should quit as he was shit, then make references to his personality, his gender, his looks, religion, politics, race,drug habits, his family background etc. ad infinitum then repeat it 2 days later and if anyone was unhappy about it tell them to "fuck off it's a free speech forum" . Is that acceptable when saying the same things at the performance is something you would not do ?
If the performer was your relative or friend or you were a devoted fan, would you still think that reading such a post, if posted by another fan, would be fine "sure it's only free speech" ? I guess we have the rest of our lives to answer these type of questions, if we have a mind to.

 

[paulchapo]

I agree with virtually every word you have said and appreciate your reply. As a music fan and parent of 2 musicians/actress, I think it is an appropriate analogy. I also believe in freedom of speech with the proviso that the underappreciated right to it should be respected by not abusing the right. The OP posed the question whether some of the posts went beyond acceptable and doubtless you will agree that what is or is not "acceptable" is subjective and wide ranging. I do think that some people back off venting abuse at matches, not to spare the team or players but to avoid a negative response from others around them ie they are afraid or embarrassed. On a public forum the same people think they are untouchable and have no responsibility or restraint in the level of abuse they dish out.
To return to the music analogy, in my opinion saying something like "when I saw him he was crap" is on a very low scale of abuse and if you read the OP again I doubt that that is what the question referred to. Some posts on a number of threads go way beyond performance "criticism" , nothing to do with slagging as generally understood, and have nothing to do with football. The moderators may think differently or may not be aware of some of the stuff, but I think the OP is entitled to raise the issue as a topic of reasoned discussion. Performance criticism is one level but should posts that veer towards personal abuse, potentially defamatory statements not based on facts and unrelated to the performance be acceptable ?.
So after seeing the musician not perform to the level expected you are "emotional" and you say in the moment "when I saw him he was crap" do you then go on his fan forum slagging the performance, saying he should quit as he was shit, then make references to his personality, his gender, his looks, religion, politics, race,drug habits, his family background etc. ad infinitum then repeat it 2 days later and if anyone was unhappy about it tell them to "fuck off it's a free speech forum" . Is that acceptable when saying the same things at the performance is something you would not do ?
If the performer was your relative or friend or you were a devoted fan, would you still think that reading such a post, if posted by another fan, would be fine "sure it's only free speech" ? I guess we have the rest of our lives to answer these type of questions, if we have a mind to.

Very deep and as another "Can't sleep had a glass of wine, listening to some music but thought I'd pop on here in-between" moment one I'm not going to take too long answering

Firstly yes a few would think twice voicing such opinions in public for fear of a smack, but a lot do, although it's usually a brief "FFS Mahrez you greedy c****!" or such. Nobody on here is untouchable or allowed to get away with whatever they want. If the mods don't take them to task other posters will.

Personally?? I'm not interested in anything other than the players performance on the game I am commentating on. No sex, race,religion matters, just how they play, nor would I fetch that into it. If others do I'd think they were a **** but allowing them to post it shows everybody that. It's also why we have mods.

It's not embarrassing saying collectively and individually we were poor against the rags. That fact would be true even if we had won all the previous 21 games 10-0, in that game we were below the standards we have set.

It's a post that could rumble on forever until infinity, hopefully it won't.