United thread 2012/13 (inc merged IPO thread)

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EricBrooksGhost said:
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http://www.tradingfloor.com/posts/m...analysts-view-its-a-bad-investment-2108615736

I have previously expressed my opinion that Manchester United (NYSE:MANU) is a great club, but a terrible investment. After having read through the company’s amendments my opinion hasn’t changed. In fact I am even more confident that this stock is a terrible investment.

Details of the IPO

Manchester United is planning to use the proceeds from its IPO to decrease the burdensome debt that was brought on the balance sheet when the Glazer family took over in a leveraged buyout in 2005. With 16.7 million shares being sold (10 percent of total shares outstanding) in a price range of USD 16 to 20, the club will eventually be valued at USD 2.6bn to 3.3bn. That is more than double the value the Glazers paid for the club.

With the stated goal of the IPO being to reduce debt, you would think all the proceeds would be used to pay off loans. That’s where you are wrong! The setup is as follows: the club will sell 8,333,333 shares at USD 16 to 20, which will eventually be used to pay down debt. Meanwhile, the Glazers will pocket the proceeds of 8,333,333 additional shares sold at the same price. So the owners are not entirely looking for investors to help them pay down debt. They will be filling up their own pockets as well.

After the Glazers take their share of the total GBP 210 million IPO proceeds, roughly GBP 100 million will be used to pay down the existing debt of GBP 440 million. This decrease in leverage will surely decrease the club’s yearly interest expenses, leaving more cash (hopefully) for maintaining the squad or facilities.

With the details in table 1 in place, you can see the stock is likely to be traded at a price-to-earnings ratio in the range of 75 to 93 given the company’s estimated profits for 2012. That is VERY expensive for a company that hasn’t really shown attractive earnings or revenue growth in recent years, and shares in a company whose business model is a football club. The valuation simply makes no sense.

Warning signs

With more information being given to us through the amendment last Monday, we have a clearer picture of how the club’s 2012 financial year will pan out. As you might expect, I am not particularly impressed.

I can agree the club has done one thing well, and that is growing its commercial revenue segment, which covers sponsorship, retail, merchandising and product licensing (approx. 35 percent of 2012 revenues). This segment will most likely continue to grow, as the club just announced a record sponsorship deal with the world’s largest carmaker, GM.

However, all revenue streams (commercial, broadcasting and matchday) are heavily dependent on pitch performance, especially broadcasting and matchday revenues (which declined by 12 percent compared to last year). It’s not only broadcasting and matchday revenues that are sensitive to performance: commercial value might also deteriorate over time should the pitch performance get worse.

Despite growing commercial revenues in recent years, total revenues in 2012 are expected to be 3.5 to 5 percent lower than the year before. Revenues were heavily affected by the club failing to qualify for the later stages in the Champions League last year which shows how sensitive revenues are with respect to pitch performance. At the same time as revenues are decreasing, player and staff expenses have increased by 4 to 5 percent. First warning sign! Revenues are slowing down while costs are increasing.

A second warning sign is the massive tax credit the club is utilizing in 2012. As the club had a tax credit of roughly GBP 27m, the club will turn a profit in the year. The tax credit is a onetime thing and won’t help the club to be profitable next year. Had there not been any tax credit this year there wouldn’t have been any profits!

The third warning sign is that total operating expenses are growing faster than revenues. A major factor in running a football club players’ salaries. As the world of football becomes more competitive, salaries have increased significantly. If the club fails to grow revenues at a higher pace than salaries and other costs, you will end up with a significant problem! That is just finance one-0-one.

Conclusion

A stock with little or no growth being priced at a P/E that is higher than 70 – No thanks! It is not like this is a company that can expand its operations to new regions, increase number of games played by participating in more leagues outside its home country or set up a ‘subsidiary team’ elsewhere. The broadcasting and matchday revenues are simply capped to a certain degree. The main factor that can boost revenues is the brands commercial value. That is simply not enough for me to make an investment case out of it.

As for my disclosure I do not intend to take any position in this stock in the future EVER, but I might disclose that I am an Arsenal fan. However, that doesn’t change the fact that Manchester United is a bad investment!

I wouldn't bother PB as our resident rag will come on and tell you about the non public domain information that makes this worthwhile while also ignoring the PE ratio . 75 upwards is shocking ... the recent Facebook of nearly 100 was Emperor's new clothes so reminiscent of the dotcom boom, now ask UBS about their Facebook investment

Yep Failbook now under $19 from it's $43 high and getting shorted down to $13 at the mo. The business model doesn't stack up.

Failbook was the best "Pump and Dump" trade of all time, can't see any serious traders adding the Rag IPO to their portfolio.
 
EricBrooksGhost said:
[ total GBP 210 million IPO proceeds, roughly GBP 100 million
I wouldn't bother PB as our resident rag will come on and tell you about the non public domain information that makes this worthwhile while also ignoring the PE ratio .

75 upwards is shocking ... the recent Facebook of nearly 100 was Emperor's new clothes so reminiscent of the dotcom boom, now ask UBS about their Facebook investment
My my, you really did take my throwaway remark the other day to heart didn't you?

At no point did I say that this IPO was (or indeed, wasn't) going to be good value, or worthwhile. In fact the only thing I've consistently said is that I hope it fails, thereby forcing the Glazers out more quickly.

After you got all precious about my initial tongue in cheek comment, I did expand on that comment by explaining that I meant I didn't think anyone should jump to any conclusions based on the ongoing media speculation, as much of the relevant information - ie value of club, cost/numbers of shares to be sold (or even the p/e ratio that you like to talk about so much) - had still to be disclosed.

Even now that information is in the public domain the underwriters haven't yet walked away or pulled the plug. Until that happens, or the offer succeeds, then all any of us can do is continue to speculate but please don't label me as a Glazer apologist or an advocate of their financial plans.
 
JM Mcr said:
My my, you really did take my throwaway remark the other day to heart didn't you?

At no point did I say that this IPO was (or indeed, wasn't) going to be good value, or worthwhile. In fact the only thing I've consistently said is that I hope it fails, thereby forcing the Glazers out more quickly.

After you got all precious about my initial tongue in cheek comment, I did expand on that comment by explaining that I meant I didn't think anyone should jump to any conclusions based on the ongoing media speculation, as much of the relevant information - ie value of club, cost/numbers of shares to be sold (or even the p/e ratio that you like to talk about so much) - had still to be disclosed.

Even now that information is in the public domain the underwriters haven't yet walked away or pulled the plug. Until that happens, or the offer succeeds, then all any of us can do is continue to speculate but please don't label me as a Glazer apologist or an advocate of their financial plans.
All you ever seem to do is argue with other people on this site.

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Well they get the money whatever happens because the share issue has been underwritten. -Jefferies are the main underwriter.

That said if the offer is under subscribed it will force the future share price down from $16 a share which would be a huge problem for the Glazers. Why? Because a secondary objective of the IPO is to obtain a stock market valuation of the club - one that they can use to borrow against in the future.

So anyone thinking of buying to keep the Glazers in - DONT!
 
BlueAnorak said:
Well they get the money whatever happens because the share issue has been underwritten. -Jefferies are the main underwriter.

That said if the offer is under subscribed it will force the future share price down from $16 a share which would be a huge problem for the Glazers. Why? Because a secondary objective of the IPO is to obtain a stock market valuation of the club - one that they can use to borrow against in the future.

So anyone thinking of buying to keep the Glazers in - DONT!


So I've smashed open my City piggy bank for nowt? FFS.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
All you ever seem to do is argue with other people on this site.

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Could say no I don't but that'd prove your point ;-)

Seriously tho, I don't set out to be contentious or argumentative but will defend my point of view, and will certainly respond if I think someone is misrepresenting what I've said.

I'm perfectly chilled tho thanks..
 
JM Mcr said:
Mëtal Bikër said:
All you ever seem to do is argue with other people on this site.

chillBro.jpg
Could say no I don't but that'd prove your point ;-)

Seriously tho, I don't set out to be contentious or argumentative but will defend my point of view, and will certainly respond if I think someone is misrepresenting what I've said.

I'm purrfectly chilled tho thanks..



no need to thank me
 
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