United thread 2012/13 (inc merged IPO thread)

[VOOMER]

Re: United thread 2012/13.

LOL.

DANNY WELBECK is still in dispute with Manchester United over a new contract.

The striker, 21, is in the last year of his current deal but his advisors and club bosses are at loggerheads over the terms of a new four-year agreement.

Welbeck is on £15,000 a week and his camp are after £60,000 a week before bonuses.

But the club is understood to be offering a £40,000 basic wage, rising to £60,000 a week based on games played.

Welbeck is represented mainly by his elder brother Chris, who believes the player deserves what they are asking for after hitting 12 goals in 38 games last term before a strong display with England at Euro 2012.

His winner in the group game against Sweden, a volley with his right instep whilst facing away from goal, was one of the goals of the tournament.

But United are still not ready to budge and the failure to find a middle ground is worrying, particularly as they have lost two promising 19-year-olds since the end of last season.

Midfielder Paul Pogba went to Juventus on a £30,000-a-week deal — double the money United were offering — after his contract ran out.

Now defender Ezekiel Fryers has followed him out the door.

He also failed to agree terms on a new deal and left as a free agent to join Tottenham, who are set to pay United £4million in compensation.

12 goals in 38 games playing for the league runners up (woop, woop), that's almost as good as Peter Crouch for Stoke who finished 14th (14 in 40).

Having said that, I think they're taking the piss offering an england international who played in 38 games for them last season 40k/week especially if Rooney is on circa £200k/week as rumoured :D

Could he do a job for us?

 

[LoveCity]

Re: United thread 2012/13.

Just hope they don't sign a top midfielder, Fergie's refusal to sign one has been of great help to us. It always stuns me how much room there is to operate in the middle of the pitch against United, it's just that not many teams seem able to exploit that domestically.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: United thread 2012/13.

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Manchester United file out-of-date accounts for share offer
• Glazers avoid revealing 2011-12 financial performance
• Figures expected to show a decline due to failings in Europe
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David Conn
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 10 July 2012 19.15 BST

Manchester United's Champions League final defeat against Barcelona in 2011 will be reflected in the accounts filed with the New York Stock Exchange. Photograph: Tom Jenkins for the Guardian
The Glazer family's timing for floating Manchester United is facing criticism from some analysts who argue the Glazers are deliberately avoiding having to present United's expected decline in financial performance in 2011-12.

The Glazers have filed with the New York Stock Exchange, to float a Manchester United company registered in the Cayman Islands tax haven, United's financial accounts for the year before that, to 30 June 2011. United's income is expected to have suffered a significant decline last year, principally due to Sir Alex Ferguson's team being eliminated from the Champions League at the group stage, whereas in 2011 they earned €53m (£44m) from Uefa after reaching the final.

Presenting accounts more than 12 months old fails to comply with US Securities and Exchange Commission requirements, and United have had to apply for special dispensation to have the out-of date accounts allowed. In a letter dated 3 July, Edward Woodward, United's executive vice-chairman based in London, points out the accounts for United's most recent financial year, to 30 June 2012, are not overdue in the Cayman Islands – "its jurisdiction of incorporation" – or any other country. Having to present the 2011-12 accounts, Woodward claims in the letter, would be: "impractical and involve undue hardship" for United.

United spokesmen both at their Old Trafford offices and representing the Cayman Islands-registered company in New York are not commenting on any aspect of the proposed flotation until it is complete and declined to explain why the Glazers had chosen this timing for the float, and to deliver out-of-date accounts.

Owen Wild, deputy editor of International Financing Review, has criticised the timing, suggesting it is because United's financial performance in 2011-12 is likely to have been significantly worse than for 2010-11. "It is very often unnecessary to do this, and investors are rightly suspicious when companies do it," Wild said. "We have several times seen companies file out-of-date accounts, then when the more recent accounts come out, they show a decline in financial performance."

United's 2011-12 accounts are almost certain to show the club made less money than in 2010-11. That year, Ferguson's team won the Premier League and lost in the Champions League final at Wembley, to Barcelona. With full houses at Old Trafford regular and the team's success marketed for global sponsorships by a team Woodward oversees in the London office, United posted a record income of £331m in 2010-11. Despite paying interest and other finance costs of £53m on the debts, then standing at £459m, which the Glazers loaded on to United to buy the club, United returned a £12m profit in 2010-11.

The club's income from European competitions will be significantly reduced for the most recent season, when United were dismissed from the Europa League by a skilled Athletic Bilbao after their Champions League failure. Uefa are due to release figures on Friday for how much each club was paid for Champions and Europa League participation last season. United's payment can be expected to be around half that of the previous year. The club also missed the earnings from three knockout stage matches at Old Trafford, which are thought to bring in around £3m each.

Many United fans feel that last season was the one in which the debts loaded on to the club by the Glazers, now at £423m, finally started to bite into the performance of Ferguson's team. Its relative drop in fortunes will have dented the club's financial performance. Those figures are not the ones being presented to potential investors in Manchester United Ltd (Cayman Islands) in New York.

Is that you Prestwich Blue :p

They are dirty, devious little cockroaches aren't they.

Good job I am as well then isn't it?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: United thread 2012/13.

Just reading this:
http://andersred.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/why-have-glazers-changed-their-strategy.html

Glazers look like being screwed financially if this IPO doesn't come off. Seems like they borrowed the $400m to pay off the PIK notes personally and (reading between the lines) the results for 2012 will trigger a penalty clause which will cost them even more money. Oh dear.

 

[squirtyflower]

Re: United thread 2012/13.

Just reading this:
http://andersred.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/why-have-glazers-changed-their-strategy.html

Glazers look like being screwed financially if this IPO doesn't come off. Seems like they borrowed the $400m to pay off the PIK notes personally and (reading between the lines) the results for 2012 will trigger a penalty clause which will cost them even more money. Oh dear.

Why is that I can detect the glee with every word you type?

 

[samharris]

Re: United thread 2012/13.

Just reading this:
http://andersred.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/why-have-glazers-changed-their-strategy.html

Glazers look like being screwed financially if this IPO doesn't come off. Seems like they borrowed the $400m to pay off the PIK notes personally and (reading between the lines) the results for 2012 will trigger a penalty clause which will cost them even more money. Oh dear.

The real reason that Rio is losing sleep is revealed. :)

 

[taconinja]

Re: United thread 2012/13.

The whining and hand-wringing over there right now is so completely over the top and ridiculous in regards to us winning. Evidently, no one ever spent any money on transfers until Chelsea and us... like... ever... or something.

Net spend! They love shouting about that. They're morons. Net spend is a ludicrous metric. Ask anyone that knows anything about business.

 

[stony]

Re: United thread 2012/13.

The whining and hand-wringing over there right now is so completely over the top and ridiculous in regards to us winning. Evidently, no one ever spent any money on transfers until Chelsea and us... like... ever... or something.

Net spend! They love shouting about that. They're morons. Net spend is a ludicrous metric. Ask anyone that knows anything about business.

The crying on redcafe and the bluemoon thread in particular is funny as fuck. They're acting like toddlers that have had their favourite toy taken away.

I'd fucking love it if they had another potless season and crash out of the champs league early again. I think we'd see a combination of mass suicides and the sudden realization from many of them that they don't like football anymore.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: United thread 2012/13.

Just reading this:
http://andersred.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/why-have-glazers-changed-their-strategy.html

Glazers look like being screwed financially if this IPO doesn't come off. Seems like they borrowed the $400m to pay off the PIK notes personally and (reading between the lines) the results for 2012 will trigger a penalty clause which will cost them even more money. Oh dear.

Why is that I can detect the glee with every word you type?

There's two sides to this actually. As a City fan I obviously love seeing them in trouble and watching the arrogant glory-hunters deserting them.

As a football fan, I find the notion of people like the Glazers and Shinawatra being allowed to own clubs offensive. They aren't fit and proper in any meaningful sense of the word.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Re: United thread 2012/13.

Just reading this:
http://andersred.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/why-have-glazers-changed-their-strategy.html

Glazers look like being screwed financially if this IPO doesn't come off. Seems like they borrowed the $400m to pay off the PIK notes personally and (reading between the lines) the results for 2012 will trigger a penalty clause which will cost them even more money. Oh dear.

Why is that I can detect the glee with every word you type?

There's two sides to this actually. As a City fan I obviously love seeing them in trouble and watching the arrogant glory-hunters deserting them.

As a football fan, I find the notion of people like the Glazers and Shinawatra being allowed to own clubs offensive. They aren't fit and proper in any meaningful sense of the word.

I agree with him mate..

But didnt the glaziers see a cash cow went for it and got it,i'm just suprised no one did it earlier this way with the rags..