United thread 2012/13 (inc merged IPO thread)

[Airbags Optional]

They really are that bad. The problem is now 1 can punish them cuz of the bias reffing or the random bullshit that constitutes a united game. Or one of there fluky goals they seem to spring up and score time and time again.

When you have a weak midfield then you can always be overrun by teams with stronger midfields. That's United's problem at the moment. They are far from useless. If Vidic ever gets back there defence it will strengthen their defence. Rafael is improving week by week. De Gea has a weakness for crosses, but if he can conquer this, he has the makings of a world class keeper. That apart they have the best collection of wingers in the league with Nani, Valencia and Young.

Kagawa has just moved to a different league and already has 2 goals and is linking up well with the rest of the team. Ferguson made a good point that RVP has had no preseason, adjusting to a new club and has managed 7 goals.

Vidic, Nani, RVP and Carrick would all get into your starting line up at the moment for me. Valencia, Kagawa and Rooney would all be challenging strongly and play their fair share of matches.

carrick lol

I think he has a point, Carrick could be the deep lying playmaker we need. Not saying he is good enough but I think in our team he could do a good job alongside Barry

 

[supercrystal7]

They really are that bad. The problem is now 1 can punish them cuz of the bias reffing or the random bullshit that constitutes a united game. Or one of there fluky goals they seem to spring up and score time and time again.

When you have a weak midfield then you can always be overrun by teams with stronger midfields. That's United's problem at the moment. They are far from useless. If Vidic ever gets back there defence it will strengthen their defence. Rafael is improving week by week. De Gea has a weakness for crosses, but if he can conquer this, he has the makings of a world class keeper. That apart they have the best collection of wingers in the league with Nani, Valencia and Young.

Kagawa has just moved to a different league and already has 2 goals and is linking up well with the rest of the team. Ferguson made a good point that RVP has had no preseason, adjusting to a new club and has managed 7 goals.

Vidic, Nani, RVP and Carrick would all get into your starting line up at the moment for me. Valencia, Kagawa and Rooney would all be challenging strongly and play their fair share of matches.

Good points but still there team has far to many flaws in it to be considered title contenders.

1. they have an awful defense (even when vidic was playing this season). you can say its due to lack of midfield which is leading the back 4 to be stretched and exposed but its actually evera and rafeal not doing there jobs and forgetting they actually have to play defense more then anything.

2. They have no midfield. The fact scholoes has to play regularly and in the big games tells you how pathetically shit they are in mid field. they cant press the ball due to scholes age. and even when sir cleaverly comes in hes more of a passenger then a conductor. and anderson is awful. carrik just cuts the mustard but barley and hes not getting any younger.

3. The only positive they have in attack is RVP. lets face it without him they would have lost against Southampton and possibly lost another game. rooney is decent player, nani is a no show for a while now. welbeck is overrated garbage anyways. and the lesbian is a no show. And this kagawa guy. hes a class player when playing for bvb. he could potentially be a fantastic player for them but in the last 2 games hes played some awful football and has been invisible. also DDG sadly will prolly become a top goalkeeper if he sorts his air game.

So in general they have a substandard team that will be found out big time this season when they play the big teams and even the likes of stoke or westbrom ect. they are not title contenders one bit.

1. There defence has not been great and I do put a LOT of the blame down to the midfield. Evra has been average for a while now, but not Rafael. He is young and experienced, but is learning. One on one he does a good job and is improving his positioning. Has had several very good games now.

2. This is true, but don't think Anderson is awful. He is decent, but they are still Manchester United and it is still Old Trafford. When teams go there they will at some point feel the pressure and sit back. This allows Scholes to spread the play to the wings and they can bombard the opposition with cross after cross. Eventually they will crack. Even against Tottenham they would have won that game most days.

3. Kagawa is 23 and just moved to the Premiership. Silva is a better player and look back at how he did. If United consistently play a combination of Nani, Rooney, RVP, Valencia and Kagawa then there are attack is immense. They will score plenty of goals. Nani not been on great form this year, but played pretty well on Saturday. He is a fantastic player. Rooney is world class.

As I said before as much as you may not like it, they are still Manchester United. They have dominated English football for the last 20 years. Teams fear them and at some point the nerves always get to them at Old Trafford. They have the experience, mentally tough players and lots of strength in depth. They will challenge for the title. In 2009 I remember Liverpool did the best against all the other top teams, but United won the league. In 2010/2011 I am sure they did even worse against all the other top teams. United will beat pretty much everyone outside the top 6 home and away often enough to challenge this year.

 

[AntiUnited]

True they have good firepower but everywhere else is below part it might be able to get them cheap wins vrs weaker lower half teams. But upper mid table they will face alot of problems like Stoke, Westbrom, and West ham.

 

[Stoned Rose]

No, it wouldn't be shocking.. Madrid were certainly favorites but City are one of the best European teams and there is nothing shocking in top teams beating one another home or away..

Tottenham is one of best English teams, not much behind United in squad quality and there is nothing shocking in that win.

History doesn't have absolutely anything with current team qualities and form nor AVB has anything with all other managers Ferguson manages to defeat in this fixture. History is actually most whored word in football ever and means shit in what's happening today.

It wasn't any kind of 1:6 win (though that score line is the only shocking thing from that match though your history comments would make one to think different), it was simple 2:3 win by a team who are enough good to give United game and to win it.

Period ! :)

I think you need to check just how often top teams lose at home. Even against other top teams it does not happen much. How many times did you lose at home last year? Once. How many years did Chelsea go without losing at home? How many years did Mourinho go without losing at home? It's always a big result when a top team lose at home. Would not say shocking, but it's a big result

Tottenham maybe a top team, but they are not United and don't have United's quality.

History has a huge impact on how the players react. Walker was losing his head, Defoe was playing like an idiot towards the end etc. History adds to pressure.

Again why do you think certain teams always do well against another team long after their style of football has changed?
Why do you think England are bad at penalties?
Why are Liverpool brilliant?

When you add in a weaker team like Tottenham beating United with all the matches they have lost against United then it's a shocking result.

Why are Liverpool brilliant?

Terrible even by your standards.<br /><br />-- Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:41 am --<br /><br />

I don't care how often top teams lose at home, it's not shocking. It can be against the odds, it can be lightly or very surprising but it is not shocking. What's shocking is to lose at home against Blackburn last year or Crystal Palace.

It can't be shocking that City beat Real Madrid anywhere, City are not Dinamo Zagreb but team full of world class players.

Just as it wouldn't be shocking City to lose from Dortmund tomorrow no matter how good City are at home and no matter the fact that Dortmund are behind City, just like City are behind Madrid.

It's a game of two very good teams and any score is not shocking (unless it's 6:0 and such..)

Leave it MSP. Some people just dont 'get' simple concepts like 'shocked'. You're wasting your time mate.

 

[supercrystal7]

No, it wouldn't be shocking.. Madrid were certainly favorites but City are one of the best European teams and there is nothing shocking in top teams beating one another home or away..

Tottenham is one of best English teams, not much behind United in squad quality and there is nothing shocking in that win.

History doesn't have absolutely anything with current team qualities and form nor AVB has anything with all other managers Ferguson manages to defeat in this fixture. History is actually most whored word in football ever and means shit in what's happening today.

It wasn't any kind of 1:6 win (though that score line is the only shocking thing from that match though your history comments would make one to think different), it was simple 2:3 win by a team who are enough good to give United game and to win it.

Period ! :)

I think you need to check just how often top teams lose at home. Even against other top teams it does not happen much. How many times did you lose at home last year? Once. How many years did Chelsea go without losing at home? How many years did Mourinho go without losing at home? It's always a big result when a top team lose at home. Would not say shocking, but it's a big result

Tottenham maybe a top team, but they are not United and don't have United's quality.

History has a huge impact on how the players react. Walker was losing his head, Defoe was playing like an idiot towards the end etc. History adds to pressure.

Again why do you think certain teams always do well against another team long after their style of football has changed?
Why do you think England are bad at penalties?
Why are Liverpool brilliant?

When you add in a weaker team like Tottenham beating United with all the matches they have lost against United then it's a shocking result.

Why are Liverpool brilliant?

Terrible even by your standards.

-- Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:41 am --

I don't care how often top teams lose at home, it's not shocking. It can be against the odds, it can be lightly or very surprising but it is not shocking. What's shocking is to lose at home against Blackburn last year or Crystal Palace.

It can't be shocking that City beat Real Madrid anywhere, City are not Dinamo Zagreb but team full of world class players.

Just as it wouldn't be shocking City to lose from Dortmund tomorrow no matter how good City are at home and no matter the fact that Dortmund are behind City, just like City are behind Madrid.

It's a game of two very good teams and any score is not shocking (unless it's 6:0 and such..)

Leave it MSP. Some people just dont 'get' simple concepts like 'shocked'. You're wasting your time mate.

Maybe it was my fault for not being clear enough, but think the context made it clear and past post made it clear I was talking about Liverpool being brilliant at penalties. Liverpool have won 11/13 including 2 Champions League finals, 1 Fa Cup Final and 2 League Cup Finals.

EDIT
In the last 10 years United have only once lost more than 2 Home Games in the league. They have lost to City, Blackburn, Villa, Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Arsenal, West Ham, Blackburn, Middlesbrough, Chelsea, Fulham, Middlesbrough, Liverpool and Bolton.

Just looking at that list you can see why it would NOT be a surprise for United to drop points against Middlesbrough or Blackburn despite being far superior to them. Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Liverpool were all arguably as good as or better when they won.
Two more losses to City and Bolton, who are local rivals.
One loss to West Ham when they had won the league and played reserves.
The only outliers there is Villa and perhaps Fulham(though they cause United trouble). That's in 10 years. Nearly 200 home games. In short to beat United at Old Trafford you have to be at least equally as good, a bogey team or a local rival.

Now contrast that with Tottenham not beating United anywhere in over 20 games.

Bogey teams do exist. Just look at the way United celebrated after beating Blackburn last year or how Tottenham celebrated after beating United. Do you think Tottenham would celebrate like that after being you at the Eithad? Despite being better than Everton do you expect to go and win at Goodison?

 

[mat]

The biggest irony is Van Rapist is carrying another team. Take him out and they're fooked.

 

[City Raider]

When you have a weak midfield then you can always be overrun by teams with stronger midfields. That's United's problem at the moment. They are far from useless. If Vidic ever gets back there defence it will strengthen their defence. Rafael is improving week by week. De Gea has a weakness for crosses, but if he can conquer this, he has the makings of a world class keeper. That apart they have the best collection of wingers in the league with Nani, Valencia and Young.

Kagawa has just moved to a different league and already has 2 goals and is linking up well with the rest of the team. Ferguson made a good point that RVP has had no preseason, adjusting to a new club and has managed 7 goals.

Vidic, Nani, RVP and Carrick would all get into your starting line up at the moment for me. Valencia, Kagawa and Rooney would all be challenging strongly and play their fair share of matches.

carrick lol

I think he has a point, Carrick could be the deep lying playmaker we need. Not saying he is good enough but I think in our team he could do a good job alongside Barry

no, can't pick a forward pass for me!

 

[MSP]

The biggest irony is Van Rapist is carrying another team. Take him out and they're fooked.

It's too easy to say that.. he's carrying them cause he's the focal point of their attacks now. They didn't have him last year and gave us a "game".

They have deadly attack force now, 2 best scorers from last season, both word class strikers + Nani, Valencia, Kagawa, Young (Welbeck, the lesbian).. that's very, very good.

Their problem is that attack is only world class position in their team. Midfield is crap and is carried by pensioner Scholes, defence is decent when they're all fit (nothing more than that with old Ferdinand and damaged Vidic), awful in current injury state.

They'll be there near the top and threat, specially because teams are afraid of them and that fear is stopping them to realize they are beatable.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

The biggest irony is Van Rapist is carrying another team. Take him out and they're fooked.

It's too easy to say that.. he's carrying them cause he's the focal point of their attacks now. They didn't have him last year and gave us a "game".

They have deadly attack force now, 2 best scorers from last season, both word class strikers + Nani, Valencia, Kagawa, Young (Welbeck, the lesbian).. that's very, very good.

Their problem is that attack is only world class position in their team. Midfield is crap and is carried by pensioner Scholes, defence is decent when they're all fit (nothing more than that with old Ferdinand and damaged Vidic), awful in current injury state.

They'll be there near the top and threat, specially because teams are afraid of them and that fear is stopping them to realize they are beatable.

Spot on. Offensively, they're as good as anything in the league.

They are missing a true anchor man, another centre back and a left back. If they actually sorted this out in the next window, they'd be a formidable team on all fronts.

de Gea certainly has potential but what he needs is a solid CB partnership in front of him. Evra is finished and needs replacing. Also, if they had someone of the Keane/Vieira or even de Jong mould just to get in opposition faces and get stuck in, it would allow Carrick to play with less pressure and also allow them to use Scholes more sparingly because there is no doubt that for 50-60minutes of a game, he can dictate their play no doubt.

 

[Blootoof]

And the best part is, the only one in the world to not see all this is piss can himself

*SLURP*