United thread 2012/13 (inc merged IPO thread)

[adrianr]

The future for them could be interesting. I strongly suspect that the Glazers will be reining in spending while keeping revenue as high as possible. This is what Baconface going is all about and the Roonety transfer request may have some connection to that.

Effectively they're going to become the new Arsenal, where just being there or thereabouts is considered perfectly acceptable as long as they're in the CL and the commercial income is pouring in. Maybe the Glazers have looked at Liverpool/FSG and seen that even the lack of European exposure hasn't really impacted them that badly commercially.

Please. Pleeeeeeease.

 

[bluelol]

The future for them could be interesting. I strongly suspect that the Glazers will be reining in spending while keeping revenue as high as possible. This is what Baconface going is all about and the Roonety transfer request may have some connection to that.

Effectively they're going to become the new Arsenal, where just being there or thereabouts is considered perfectly acceptable as long as they're in the CL and the commercial income is pouring in. Maybe the Glazers have looked at Liverpool/FSG and seen that even the lack of European exposure hasn't really impacted them that badly commercially.

Very interesting and on the face of it looks good as far as we are concerned but what in your opinion would FFPR impact on this situation once implemented?

 

[Pam]

The future for them could be interesting. I strongly suspect that the Glazers will be reining in spending while keeping revenue as high as possible. This is what Baconface going is all about and the Roonety transfer request may have some connection to that.

Effectively they're going to become the new Arsenal, where just being there or thereabouts is considered perfectly acceptable as long as they're in the CL and the commercial income is pouring in. Maybe the Glazers have looked at Liverpool/FSG and seen that even the lack of European exposure hasn't really impacted them that badly commercially.

Very interesting and on the face of it looks good as far as we are concerned but what in your opinion would FFPR impact on this situation once implemented?

I have hopes that the stalking horse of a law suit coming out of Belguim will give the likes of City the confidence to tie the bastard thing up in legal arguments for years to come.

 

[bluelol]

The future for them could be interesting. I strongly suspect that the Glazers will be reining in spending while keeping revenue as high as possible. This is what Baconface going is all about and the Roonety transfer request may have some connection to that.

Effectively they're going to become the new Arsenal, where just being there or thereabouts is considered perfectly acceptable as long as they're in the CL and the commercial income is pouring in. Maybe the Glazers have looked at Liverpool/FSG and seen that even the lack of European exposure hasn't really impacted them that badly commercially.

Very interesting and on the face of it looks good as far as we are concerned but what in your opinion would FFPR impact on this situation once implemented?

I have hopes that the stalking horse of a law suit coming out of Belguim will give the likes of City the confidence to tie the bastard thing up in legal arguments for years to come.

That would be nice Pam.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The future for them could be interesting. I strongly suspect that the Glazers will be reining in spending while keeping revenue as high as possible. This is what Baconface going is all about and the Roonety transfer request may have some connection to that.

Effectively they're going to become the new Arsenal, where just being there or thereabouts is considered perfectly acceptable as long as they're in the CL and the commercial income is pouring in. Maybe the Glazers have looked at Liverpool/FSG and seen that even the lack of European exposure hasn't really impacted them that badly commercially.

This is my hope but on the other side of the coin they know they have to still be successful to keep their stature up there with Barca, Real, Bayern etc.

I think they will still spend, they will still be competitive. I just don't see them whacking £40m+ for a player anymore (with inflation they've paid this, before anyone chimes that they've paid <£35m as their transfer record, Rio is a prime example).

The question is, what is "successful"? As a fan, you and I see success in terms of silverware. To the Glazers, it's in financial terms. Maximise income, minimise expenses, reduce debt, trouser a few million quid every year, sell at a vast profit. The lesson of Arsenal & Liverpool (both American owned) is that you can have financial success without necessarily having sporting success. They have deals in place for the next few years and will continue to do more no doubt. But if you're looking at from a financial viewpoint, coming third is better than coming first, as the income differential is minimal and the cost to bridge those two places completely outweighs the benefit.

If you can pay Smalling, Evans & Jones £60-70k a week and still stay in the top four, why pay Ferdinand & Vidic double that just to advance a place or two?

 

[pirate]

The future for them could be interesting. I strongly suspect that the Glazers will be reining in spending while keeping revenue as high as possible. This is what Baconface going is all about and the Roonety transfer request may have some connection to that.

Effectively they're going to become the new Arsenal, where just being there or thereabouts is considered perfectly acceptable as long as they're in the CL and the commercial income is pouring in. Maybe the Glazers have looked at Liverpool/FSG and seen that even the lack of European exposure hasn't really impacted them that badly commercially.

This is my hope but on the other side of the coin they know they have to still be successful to keep their stature up there with Barca, Real, Bayern etc.

I think they will still spend, they will still be competitive. I just don't see them whacking £40m+ for a player anymore (with inflation they've paid this, before anyone chimes that they've paid <£35m as their transfer record, Rio is a prime example).

The question is, what is "successful"? As a fan, you and I see success in terms of silverware. To the Glazers, it's in financial terms. Maximise income, minimise expenses, reduce debt, trouser a few million quid every year, sell at a vast profit. The lesson of Arsenal & Liverpool (both American owned) is that you can have financial success without necessarily having sporting success. They have deals in place for the next few years and will continue to do more no doubt. But if you're looking at from a financial viewpoint, coming third is better than coming first, as the income differential is minimal and the cost to bridge those two places completely outweighs the benefit.

If you can pay Smalling, Evans & Jones £60-70k a week and still stay in the top four, why pay Ferdinand & Vidic double that just to advance a place or two?

short term financially that makes sense.

however, long term (and I know the Glazers dont give a shot about long term) its going to mean the club will slowly slide down the league. Eventually that will effect income, but i imagine the glazers will be well shot of the rags by then

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

This is my hope but on the other side of the coin they know they have to still be successful to keep their stature up there with Barca, Real, Bayern etc.

I think they will still spend, they will still be competitive. I just don't see them whacking £40m+ for a player anymore (with inflation they've paid this, before anyone chimes that they've paid <£35m as their transfer record, Rio is a prime example).

The question is, what is "successful"? As a fan, you and I see success in terms of silverware. To the Glazers, it's in financial terms. Maximise income, minimise expenses, reduce debt, trouser a few million quid every year, sell at a vast profit. The lesson of Arsenal & Liverpool (both American owned) is that you can have financial success without necessarily having sporting success. They have deals in place for the next few years and will continue to do more no doubt. But if you're looking at from a financial viewpoint, coming third is better than coming first, as the income differential is minimal and the cost to bridge those two places completely outweighs the benefit.

If you can pay Smalling, Evans & Jones £60-70k a week and still stay in the top four, why pay Ferdinand & Vidic double that just to advance a place or two?

short term financially that makes sense.

however, long term (and I know the Glazers dont give a shot about long term) its going to mean the club will slowly slide down the league. Eventually that will effect income, but i imagine the glazers will be well shot of the rags by then

Exactly. They do not give a fuck about Manchester United outside of what it means for them. They'll grab what they can when the time is right and go. Then it may collapse or it may continue to prosper.

 

[bluelol]

The future for them could be interesting. I strongly suspect that the Glazers will be reining in spending while keeping revenue as high as possible. This is what Baconface going is all about and the Roonety transfer request may have some connection to that.

Effectively they're going to become the new Arsenal, where just being there or thereabouts is considered perfectly acceptable as long as they're in the CL and the commercial income is pouring in. Maybe the Glazers have looked at Liverpool/FSG and seen that even the lack of European exposure hasn't really impacted them that badly commercially.

This is my hope but on the other side of the coin they know they have to still be successful to keep their stature up there with Barca, Real, Bayern etc.

I think they will still spend, they will still be competitive. I just don't see them whacking £40m+ for a player anymore (with inflation they've paid this, before anyone chimes that they've paid <£35m as their transfer record, Rio is a prime example).

The question is, what is "successful"? As a fan, you and I see success in terms of silverware. To the Glazers, it's in financial terms. Maximise income, minimise expenses, reduce debt, trouser a few million quid every year, sell at a vast profit. The lesson of Arsenal & Liverpool (both American owned) is that you can have financial success without necessarily having sporting success. They have deals in place for the next few years and will continue to do more no doubt. But if you're looking at from a financial viewpoint, coming third is better than coming first, as the income differential is minimal and the cost to bridge those two places completely outweighs the benefit.

If you can pay Smalling, Evans & Jones £60-70k a week and still stay in the top four, why pay Ferdinand & Vidic double that just to advance a place or two?

Totally agree with that Prestwick, thanks for your sharing your knowledge on this matter.

 

[bluelol]

The question is, what is "successful"? As a fan, you and I see success in terms of silverware. To the Glazers, it's in financial terms. Maximise income, minimise expenses, reduce debt, trouser a few million quid every year, sell at a vast profit. The lesson of Arsenal & Liverpool (both American owned) is that you can have financial success without necessarily having sporting success. They have deals in place for the next few years and will continue to do more no doubt. But if you're looking at from a financial viewpoint, coming third is better than coming first, as the income differential is minimal and the cost to bridge those two places completely outweighs the benefit.

If you can pay Smalling, Evans & Jones £60-70k a week and still stay in the top four, why pay Ferdinand & Vidic double that just to advance a place or two?

short term financially that makes sense.

however, long term (and I know the Glazers dont give a shot about long term) its going to mean the club will slowly slide down the league. Eventually that will effect income, but i imagine the glazers will be well shot of the rags by then

Exactly. They do not give a fuck about Manchester United outside of what it means for them. They'll grab what they can when the time is right and go. Then it may collapse or it may continue to prosper.

Haaaaaaaaaaa, can you imagine the effect this will have on the media and all the followers if this lot went tits up, although they will just turn to another flavour of the month.

 

[Blue Til Death]

To support United is too easy. It's convenience supporting. It makes life too easy. There is no challenge. It is a cowardly form of escapism, a sell-out to the forces of evil. United fans have no soul and will spend their eternity neck deep in boiling vomit. City fans retain their soul and will spend their eternity forever reliving the moment their team beat Newcastle 4–3 away from home to win the League Championship in 1968, beating United into second place." and then reliving Sergios thunderbolt beating QPR 3-2 in the last second of the last game of the season, to win the Premier League, again relegating the Rags to second place where they belong.... (Thanks to Paul Morley - Journalist who wrote most of this)

The future is bright, the future is Blue

Lets end the thread here shall we..!!