United thread 2013/14

[mcmanus]

just seen the odds for saturday , why are swansea 6/1 ??

Great isn`t it? i have won a small fortune this last week or so backing teams the rags play.

I`m all over Swansea again.

I just keep having a cheeky fiver on every team they play. Lad in the bookies is a rag as well so picking up my winning is funny too.

 

[aguero93:20]

just seen the odds for saturday , why are swansea 6/1 ??

Great isn`t it? i have won a small fortune this last week or so backing teams the rags play.

I`m all over Swansea again.

I just keep having a cheeky fiver on every team they play. Lad in the bookies is a rag as well so picking up my winning is funny too.

Backed everyone they've played since Everton (bar Norwich), Quite happy to risk £15 between Swansea, Sunderland and Cardiff

 

[Blue Haze]

They just realized dear pisscan ran when he saw this coming.

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Some uncomfortable truths


It seems that SAF jumped ship when it was starting to sink...

Must be tough on them. Moyes comes along and suddenly they get yellows for diving instead of 6-10 points worth of penalties.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

If they did give Moyse the boot, I may be wrong but someone told me it will cost them in excess of £30mill ... If this is so Moyse won't be going anywhere

Not only that but they'll then have to replace him with another £30m set up plus they'll want money to spend,lots of it.

 

[GazC]

For what it's worth, I don't think it is the appointment of Moyes that has put United into this predicament, but Moyes deciding he wanted to bring his own back room staff and removing the old guard that, had served them for so well, in many cases, for so many years. I think it's hard to imagine what a transition that is and, to some degree, is what we've done well for the transition from Mancini to Pellegrini.

Structure is just as important as the individual in the process of change management - keeping the likes of Vieira, albeit in a different role, and Kidd in place have, one can only presume, helped the transition for Pellegrini no end as it helps integrate his own ideas and makes it far easier when bringing in Cousillas and Mancisidor, i.e. there's enough change to accurately reflect the change in leadership but not enough to upset the apple cart. Now compare that to United who, for reasons unknown, have given a relatively unproven, in terms of success on the biggest platform, manger with a reputation amongst Everton fans for 'bottling' it see Villarreal, FA Cup final defeat, defeat to Wigan in last season's cup and umpteen others where Everton missed their big chance a free hand in bringing in his own backroom staff.

This screams to me that Moyes either i) believes they're a better coaching set-up than what was in place under Ferguson or ii), which I think is much more likely, that Moyes does not have a personality strong enough to have replaced Ferguson and kept Ferguson's coaching staff in place. It's easy to say with hindsight, but this decision should have set all kinds of alarm bells off at United when Moyes requested to bring his own coaching staff with him - without looking it up, I think he's only kept Joyce and let the others go - OK, Moyes is undoubtedly at fault for making this change but who at United, when discussing the terms of Moyes' move said "Yeah, that's a cracking idea Davey, I'm sure Phil Neville and Steve Round will take Cleverley and Chris Smalling to the next level"?

This, for me, points to that inherently and frequently incoherent Glaswegian piss head setting up Moyes for a fall, all to protect his own legacy.

 

[mcmanus]

For what it's worth, I don't think it is the appointment of Moyes that has put United into this predicament, but Moyes deciding he wanted to bring his own back room staff and removing the old guard that, had served them for so well, in many cases, for so many years. I think it's hard to imagine what a transition that is and, to some degree, is what we've done well for the transition from Mancini to Pellegrini.

Structure is just as important as the individual in the process of change management - keeping the likes of Vieira, albeit in a different role, and Kidd in place have, one can only presume, helped the transition for Pellegrini no end as it helps integrate his own ideas and makes it far easier when bringing in Cousillas and Mancisidor, i.e. there's enough change to accurately reflect the change in leadership but not enough to upset the apple cart. Now compare that to United who, for reasons unknown, have given a relatively unproven, in terms of success on the biggest platform, manger with a reputation amongst Everton fans for 'bottling' it see Villarreal, FA Cup final defeat, defeat to Wigan in last season's cup and umpteen others where Everton missed their big chance a free hand in bringing in his own backroom staff.

This screams to me that Moyes either i) believes they're a better coaching set-up than what was in place under Ferguson or ii), which I think is much more likely, that Moyes does not have a personality strong enough to have replaced Ferguson and kept Ferguson's coaching staff in place. It's easy to say with hindsight, but this decision should have set all kinds of alarm bells off at United when Moyes requested to bring his own coaching staff with him - without looking it up, I think he's only kept Joyce and let the others go - OK, Moyes is undoubtedly at fault for making this change but who at United, when discussing the terms of Moyes' move said "Yeah, that's a cracking idea Davey, I'm sure Phil Neville and Steve Round will take Cleverley and Chris Smalling to the next level"?

This, for me, points to that inherently and frequently incoherent Glaswegian piss head setting up Moyes for a fall, all to protect his own legacy.

Good read.

 

[Blue Haze]

For what it's worth, I don't think it is the appointment of Moyes that has put United into this predicament, but Moyes deciding he wanted to bring his own back room staff and removing the old guard that, had served them for so well, in many cases, for so many years. I think it's hard to imagine what a transition that is and, to some degree, is what we've done well for the transition from Mancini to Pellegrini.

Structure is just as important as the individual in the process of change management - keeping the likes of Vieira, albeit in a different role, and Kidd in place have, one can only presume, helped the transition for Pellegrini no end as it helps integrate his own ideas and makes it far easier when bringing in Cousillas and Mancisidor, i.e. there's enough change to accurately reflect the change in leadership but not enough to upset the apple cart. Now compare that to United who, for reasons unknown, have given a relatively unproven, in terms of success on the biggest platform, manger with a reputation amongst Everton fans for 'bottling' it see Villarreal, FA Cup final defeat, defeat to Wigan in last season's cup and umpteen others where Everton missed their big chance a free hand in bringing in his own backroom staff.

This screams to me that Moyes either i) believes they're a better coaching set-up than what was in place under Ferguson or ii), which I think is much more likely, that Moyes does not have a personality strong enough to have replaced Ferguson and kept Ferguson's coaching staff in place. It's easy to say with hindsight, but this decision should have set all kinds of alarm bells off at United when Moyes requested to bring his own coaching staff with him - without looking it up, I think he's only kept Joyce and let the others go - OK, Moyes is undoubtedly at fault for making this change but who at United, when discussing the terms of Moyes' move said "Yeah, that's a cracking idea Davey, I'm sure Phil Neville and Steve Round will take Cleverley and Chris Smalling to the next level"?

This, for me, points to that inherently and frequently incoherent Glaswegian piss head setting up Moyes for a fall, all to protect his own legacy.

Superb.

 

[aguero93:20]

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“@Delboy783: fucking dick
Head, moyes must go? Plastic supporters like u must go. Fuck off and support the blue scum.”

CITY MY 2ND TEAM

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“@Delboy783: scum bag u know fuck all about being a loyal football fan.”

BUT I SHOW LOYALTY TO MANCHESTER CLUBS SINCE 2007!!

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MOYES NOMINATED FOR MANAGER OF MONTH?!

MAYBE NEXT FUKING NOMINATE BIG SAM FOR SLIMMER OF THE YEAR

Beijing Red 4 Lyf ‏@Moyes_Must_Go 16h
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NO WONDER THEY ALL SACKED!!

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“@SagarGGMU: We won nearly every game in the premier league last month. Do the math you idiot.”

STOP LIVING IN PAST PLASTIC FAN

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I COMMITTED TO TROPHIES ONLY

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I SUPPORT ARSENAL UNTIL 2004

CHELSEA 2004-2007

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STOP STALKING ME SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE

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HE MUST BE FUKING SHIT IF HE GOING TO STOKE FARM

Funniest part is how many imbeciles are still taking this seriously.

 

[samharris]

No bias? hmmmmmm......

SSN information bar says, "Moyes, Mourinho and Martinez nominated for Managaer of Month" then when it flips onto next bit of info it follows with, "also Pellegrini nominated".

Have to laugh.

It's because of the alliteration you paranoid fuck. It's times like this I wish Mancini, Mal, Machin, McNeil or Mercer were still in charge.

Manuel ??

 

[samharris]

For what it's worth, I don't think it is the appointment of Moyes that has put United into this predicament, but Moyes deciding he wanted to bring his own back room staff and removing the old guard that, had served them for so well, in many cases, for so many years. I think it's hard to imagine what a transition that is and, to some degree, is what we've done well for the transition from Mancini to Pellegrini.

Structure is just as important as the individual in the process of change management - keeping the likes of Vieira, albeit in a different role, and Kidd in place have, one can only presume, helped the transition for Pellegrini no end as it helps integrate his own ideas and makes it far easier when bringing in Cousillas and Mancisidor, i.e. there's enough change to accurately reflect the change in leadership but not enough to upset the apple cart. Now compare that to United who, for reasons unknown, have given a relatively unproven, in terms of success on the biggest platform, manger with a reputation amongst Everton fans for 'bottling' it see Villarreal, FA Cup final defeat, defeat to Wigan in last season's cup and umpteen others where Everton missed their big chance a free hand in bringing in his own backroom staff.

This screams to me that Moyes either i) believes they're a better coaching set-up than what was in place under Ferguson or ii), which I think is much more likely, that Moyes does not have a personality strong enough to have replaced Ferguson and kept Ferguson's coaching staff in place. It's easy to say with hindsight, but this decision should have set all kinds of alarm bells off at United when Moyes requested to bring his own coaching staff with him - without looking it up, I think he's only kept Joyce and let the others go - OK, Moyes is undoubtedly at fault for making this change but who at United, when discussing the terms of Moyes' move said "Yeah, that's a cracking idea Davey, I'm sure Phil Neville and Steve Round will take Cleverley and Chris Smalling to the next level"?

This, for me, points to that inherently and frequently incoherent Glaswegian piss head setting up Moyes for a fall, all to protect his own legacy.

Funny that Moyes felt the need to change the backroom staff but no major changes to the team...surely if he wanted it to be the'Moyes era' hed have put 2 or 3 of his own choices in there..
The only player hes added has gone backwards..