United thread 2013/14

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james stafford ‏@staffy_7_89 8 Jan @Moyes_Must_Go what a fucking bell end you are! Anybody who has city as his second team is not a welcome man utd! #unwantedgloryhunterRetweeted by Beijing Red 4 Lyf
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samharris said:
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james stafford ‏@staffy_7_89 8 Jan @Moyes_Must_Go what a fucking bell end you are! Anybody who has city as his second team is not a welcome man utd! #unwantedgloryhunterRetweeted by Beijing Red 4 Lyf
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adrianr said:
inchy14 said:
SiWatts90 said:
Talking last night to a good work colleague who also does a lot of work at Finch Farm, read into that what you want...

Rooney is not a happy chappy, apart from Chelsea there is another PL club he would happily play for *if* they get a Chumps League spot, not just Rooney and RVP that aren't happy though, he said that literally half the team don't like Moyes, have no respect for him, he is trying to rule with an iron fist and it is backfiring big-time.

I hope to fuck he stays and doesn't get sacked as the longer he is there, the more damage he is going to do, fantastic!

Got to be Everton.

Arsenal I'd have thought. He knows Everton won't be regulars in the CL even if they somehow miraculously make it this year. That said, there's little doubt Arsenal will get a place, so maybe you're right! Would be pretty left field though.

Hasn't he said he'd love to end up back there? His kids support them too i believe.

And if they made it this season with Martinez i reckon they'd spend the money earnt wisely which could lead to them usurping Spurs and the Rags, it could be between them and the other dippers each season for 4th.
 
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james stafford ‏@staffy_7_89 8 Jan @Moyes_Must_Go what a fucking bell end you are! Anybody who has city as his second team is not a welcome man utd! #unwantedgloryhunterRetweeted by Beijing Red 4 Lyf
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I'm not sure what I'm actually laughing at, his posts or the replies he's getting!
 
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james stafford ‏@staffy_7_89 8 Jan @Moyes_Must_Go what a fucking bell end you are! Anybody who has city as his second team is not a welcome man utd! #unwantedgloryhunterRetweeted by Beijing Red 4 Lyf
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are these twats really this fucking thick???
I'm not sure what I'm actually laughing at, his posts or the replies he's getting!

Both for me.. comedy gold..

Bejing red is a fuckn legend..
 
What about this for conspiracy theorists? I can't imagine Ferguson would leave the club in a mess just because of his ego, but what if he wants to stage a "coup" in a couple of years? He has had plenty of time to make relationships with people who would want to buy the club. If he can arrange a knock-down price in return for a major shareholding after two years out of the CL, maybe some orchestrated fan discontent, some poor managerial choices ....

It was fun thinking anyway :)



GazC said:
sir baconface said:
GazC said:
For what it's worth, I don't think it is the appointment of Moyes that has put United he would this predicament, but Moyes deciding he wanted to bring his own back room staff and removing the old guard that, had served them for so well, in many cases, for so many years. I think it's hard to imagine what a transition that is and, to some degree, is what we've done well for the transition from Mancini to Pellegrini.

Structure is just as important as the individual in the process of change management - keeping the likes of Vieira, albeit in a different role, and Kidd in place have, one can only presume, helped the transition for Pellegrini no end as it helps integrate his own ideas and makes it far easier when bringing in Cousillas and Mancisidor, i.e. there's enough change to accurately reflect the change in leadership but not enough to upset the apple cart. Now compare that to United who, for reasons unknown, have given a relatively unproven, in terms of success on the biggest platform, manger with a reputation amongst Everton fans for 'bottling' it see Villarreal, FA Cup final defeat, defeat to Wigan in last season's cup and umpteen others where Everton missed their big chance a free hand in bringing in his own backroom staff.

This screams to me that Moyes either i) believes they're a better coaching set-up than what was in place under Ferguson or ii), which I think is much more likely, that Moyes does not have a personality strong enough to have replaced Ferguson and kept Ferguson's coaching staff in place. It's easy to say with hindsight, but this decision should have set all kinds of alarm bells off at United when Moyes requested to bring his own coaching staff with him - without looking it up, I think he's only kept Joyce and let the others go - OK, Moyes is undoubtedly at fault for making this change but who at United, when discussing the terms of Moyes' move said "Yeah, that's a cracking idea Davey, I'm sure Phil Neville and Steve Round will take Cleverley and Chris Smalling to the next level"?

This, for me, points to that inherently and frequently incoherent Glaswegian piss head setting up Moyes for a fall, all to protect his own legacy.

Not sure I agree with your last sentence, Gaz, but there are some good points in here.

Presumably Moyes insisted on bringing in his buddies as a condition of accepting the role. The club made a mistake acceding to that as I don't believe he (or Everton) had the stature to justify such demands. But I'm sure it was an error rather than a sabotage job.

Although Kiddo is low profile he has provided important continuity for us. Paddy too although he isn't as close yo the first team.

Assistant managers and back-room staff are a vital cog in the wheel. The rags are learn that the hard way.

I gave the last sentence some thought, and to be honest, the reason why I've come to that conclusion is not only because Moyes has been allowed to systematically dismantle the non-playing staff but because of who else was available (and more importantly) wanted the job and had far better credentials. Perhaps I'm putting too much emphasis on Ferguson's influence in choosing a successor and any role he had during negotiations in the move (I'm only presuming he had some in his role now as a director and surely he would have been consulted on terms). Perhaps a more plausible scenario is Woodward agreed to Moyes' demands and didn't/doesn't fully understand that the backroom staff at any football club are almost as important as the manager themselves. Still - I find it difficult to believe/understand that Ferguson would not have been involved or consulted on this at some stage.
 
Is it just me or is every player that has already made a name for himself in football, as well as every young up and comer labelled as "Manchester United transfer target?"

How can all these players be wanted by them? They have such a glorious youth academy I'd think they wouldn't need to sign anyone from other clubs.
 
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adrianr said:
inchy14 said:
SiWatts90 said:
Talking last night to a good work colleague who also does a lot of work at Finch Farm, read into that what you want...

Rooney is not a happy chappy, apart from Chelsea there is another PL club he would happily play for *if* they get a Chumps League spot, not just Rooney and RVP that aren't happy though, he said that literally half the team don't like Moyes, have no respect for him, he is trying to rule with an iron fist and it is backfiring big-time.

I hope to fuck he stays and doesn't get sacked as the longer he is there, the more damage he is going to do, fantastic!

Got to be Everton.

Arsenal I'd have thought. He knows Everton won't be regulars in the CL even if they somehow miraculously make it this year. That said, there's little doubt Arsenal will get a place, so maybe you're right! Would be pretty left field though.

Tottenham I'd say
 
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