United thread 2013/14

[Anonymous]

I know you are looking for Cleavers view, but looking at other responses, I'm not so sure there is such Machiavellian subtext to everything that's going on over there.

I genuinely think it just simply a case of he'd had his time and probably didn't care too much who took over but actually thought (given Gollum's decent spell at Everton - 10 years of calm, stability and to a degree, over-achievement given the budget constraints) he would be a good fit for them.

 

[sir baconface]

Go for it, GDM.

We're all in suspenders.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Because when the rags fail and continue to decline, it further enhances his legacy and standing at the club, its that simple and would not put it past the bacon faced one to be smiling contentedly to himself right now!

While I have the suspicion he his smiling smugly at home right now, I'm not sure it will enhance his legacy if they collapse, which is entirely possible.

GDM the reason I ask is two fold, had he and the Glazers had a major fallout ? In which case was it pure spite, or is it just his warped ego, that he wants his legacy as their biggest ever manager there to last for ever, and by effectively sabotaging them he thought he was ensuring it ?

I'm sure the die hards will wake up to it soon enough, at which point his tenure may be viewed very differently by many.

I think the former of two explanations is the most likely. One thing that has marked him more than any other over the years are his personal feuds and how he always has to come out on top. It's a compulsion over which he as little or no control imo.

Ironically enough it was one of those feuds (although one he could never win) that delivered the prize of united to the Glazers - a dispute over some horse spunk and the "99 questions" that flowed from that.

His truce with the Glazers always had an unreal air about it and it's difficult to escape from the notion that the Coolmore boys didn't deliver some sort of intelligence type gift to Uncle Malc when the shares went over to Florida in order to help him keep Taggart on a leash . If that's true (and it is merely speculation) then Ferguson will have been operating under some form of duress for the last decade or so. That, allied to chronic underfunding in the squad, while Taggart had to toe the party line may have conspired to make Ferguson's resentment an overwhelming one. Faced with the well documented, systemic problems in the squad and being told that he had next to fuck-all to spend last summer, he decided to 'do one' while the going was good.

However, rather than leave quietly by the back door he decided to nail his colours to a particular mast in a very public fashion knowing that the Glazers would have little choice but to back his 'judgement'. One cannot help but wonder whether he knew or suspected that Moyes wasn't up to the job: the performance of his Everton teams against most of the top sides was (and is) appalling. Maybe, frustrated by years of kow-towing to distant owners to who he had delivered so many rices, he decided to depart with the mother of all hospital passes.

Not to secure his own legacy, so much as to win another personal battle because that is how he is hard-wired and he cannot help but act upon it, whatever the consequences are for him or anything else in his way.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Go for it, GDM.

We're all in suspenders.

Wrong thread.........you should be on Living dolls

 

[aguero93:20]

Cannot see that happening tbh, as someone said earlier their net spend over the last 5 years is very similar to Stoke/Villa.

bollocks it is, didn't see either of those clubs spend 70m in transfers with a 140m wage bill in 2011

Spread over 5 years, just quoting what an earlier poster said.

I'm not blaming you for the statement mate :)
scums wage bill over any two of those years would be bigger than both clubs combined operational budget for 5 years, but then again they don't spend any money do they? ;)

 

[Matty]

You've got to love United, they announced there will be funds made available for Moyes to buy a left back and a central midfielder in January, but stated that "player availability" is a concern. So, we all know how this will pan out, United "promise" there's money to spend, yet they know it's January and they're certain not to be able to get "the right calibre of player" in, so February 1st comes along and they've spent nothing. Not their fault though, THEY were willing to spend big, they just couldn't find the players.........

 

[pominoz]

Most on ragcaf seem to want Di Maria, what a perfect fit that diving , cheating **** would make at the shithole.

 

[lust overlord]

I don't believe that Ferguson has set out to sabotage United.His judgment of players he acquired for them was often wrong.Likewise his judgment to bring in his successor could be wrong.
I think it is that simple.Ferguson isn't infallible, or some kind of Machiavellian genius.

 

[ManCityJordan]

If anyones up for a laugh, read sky sports paper talk about who united are apparently going to buy, especially the daily mail haha.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

If anyones up for a laugh, read sky sports paper talk about who united are apparently going to buy, especially the daily mail haha.

The Lies They Tell

Manchester United will back David Moyes with a mammoth £200million to rebuild his beleaguered team.

Manchester United have called a meeting of their European scouts this week at Carrington.

Around 16 of Manchester United's European scouts are due to deliver their reports on potential targets as manager David Moyes goes over the standard required.

David Moyes has sent a scouting party to watch Atletico Madrid striker Diego Costa, and Atheltic Bilbao's Ander Herrera, who Manchester United missed out on in the summer