United thread 2013/14

[In the land of Barcodes]

If any of them want to bottle those bitter, salty tears and sell them as a flavour enhancer for tea and coffee etc I certain there'll be no shortage of takers.

No Rag apologist but actually on that thread, some of the replies are quite succinct IMO

The majority are saying it COULD happen........ there's worse comments on Bluemoon TBF

It's not their view as to its likelihood that marks their bitterness, but rather (although not exclusively) a widespread sense of injustice that it's even possible. They were perfectly content with the way football finances were organised after they'd carved it up to meet their own ends. Now the pieces on the board have moved, due in no small part to their naked avarice, it's "boo-hoo it's all so fucking unfair".

GDM, I completely agree..... I've just finished watching Byzantium - A tale of three cities, how Empires come and go ;-)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

No Rag apologist but actually on that thread, some of the replies are quite succinct IMO

The majority are saying it COULD happen........ there's worse comments on Bluemoon TBF

It's not their view as to its likelihood that marks their bitterness, but rather (although not exclusively) a widespread sense of injustice that it's even possible. They were perfectly content with the way football finances were organised after they'd carved it up to meet their own ends. Now the pieces on the board have moved, due in no small part to their naked avarice, it's "boo-hoo it's all so fucking unfair".

GDM, I completely agree..... I've just finished watching Byzantium - A tale of three cities, how Empires come and go ;-)

Nothing last for ever. It's why we should all make the most of these truly magical times :-)

 

[bluemonkey71]

They have truly brought success in a way no other club has brought success in the past.

LOL

I love what these thick fuckers bing to the table....
They are the epitome of the word bitter...
The gift that keeps giving. ..

Yep. What a bunch of fuckwits. Also what an epic backfire if Kompany ever won a treble. Here's hoping.

Lurking rags...get fucked.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It's not their view as to its likelihood that marks their bitterness, but rather (although not exclusively) a widespread sense of injustice that it's even possible. They were perfectly content with the way football finances were organised after they'd carved it up to meet their own ends. Now the pieces on the board have moved, due in no small part to their naked avarice, it's "boo-hoo it's all so fucking unfair".

I've said it before but it bears repeating. In 1981 five clubs (them, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal & Spurs) threatened to form a breakaway league unless the other clubs agreed to their proposal to stop sharing gate receipts and allow the home team to keep them all.

From that moment, the financial dynamic was changed in football and only Leeds managed to briefly break the stranglehold that these five clubs had on the league and that eventually bankrupted them.

In 1992, the same five clubs pushed for the formation of the Premier League and took the TV money (which had previously been shared with the lower divisions) all for themselves.

In the 32 years since 1981 only 4 teams outside that group of 5 have won the title, with only Chelsea winning it more than once so far. The "gang of 5" have won the title on 25 occasions. In the 30 years prior to 1981/2, something like 14 different teams won the league.

 

[Paladin]

Red Dave, the raggiest rag in the kingdom of Ragdom, admitted that he hopes Sunderland prevail. His only hope for the season is that City win nothing, but his fears and expectations do not match those hopes.

It could be an interesting second leg next week, with both Sunderland and United trying not to score and feigning disappointment should they concede. If I was a betting man, I would be backing a record count of own goals.

 

[oman0115]

If any of them want to bottle those bitter, salty tears and sell them as a flavour enhancer for tea and coffee etc I certain there'll be no shortage of takers.

No Rag apologist but actually on that thread, some of the replies are quite succinct IMO

The majority are saying it COULD happen........ there's worse comments on Bluemoon TBF

It's not their view as to its likelihood that marks their bitterness, but rather (although not exclusively) a widespread sense of injustice that it's even possible. They were perfectly content with the way football finances were organised after they'd carved it up to meet their own ends. Now the pieces on the board have moved, due in no small part to their naked avarice, it's "boo-hoo it's all so fucking unfair".

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwdk6dFDqTc[/youtube]

 

[jay_mcfc]

It's not their view as to its likelihood that marks their bitterness, but rather (although not exclusively) a widespread sense of injustice that it's even possible. They were perfectly content with the way football finances were organised after they'd carved it up to meet their own ends. Now the pieces on the board have moved, due in no small part to their naked avarice, it's "boo-hoo it's all so fucking unfair".

I've said it before but it bears repeating. In 1981 five clubs (them, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal & Spurs) threatened to form a breakaway league unless the other clubs agreed to their proposal to stop sharing gate receipts and allow the home team to keep them all.

From that moment, the financial dynamic was changed in football and only Leeds managed to briefly break the stranglehold that these five clubs had on the league and that eventually bankrupted them.

In 1992, the same five clubs pushed for the formation of the Premier League and took the TV money (which had previously been shared with the lower divisions) all for themselves.

In the 32 years since 1981 only 4 teams outside that group of 5 have won the title, with only Chelsea winning it more than once so far. The "gang of 5" have won the title on 25 occasions. In the 30 years prior to 1981/2, something like 14 different teams won the league.

It's really not that bad though to want the money from the gate receipts through your stadium paid for by 95% of your fans. It's like Tesco complaining they don't get half of the profit Asda makes when they sell a can of beans. It's also not really difficult to understand that the 5 clubs with the biggest attendances will be the ones fighting for it.

 

[Dave S]

It's not their view as to its likelihood that marks their bitterness, but rather (although not exclusively) a widespread sense of injustice that it's even possible. They were perfectly content with the way football finances were organised after they'd carved it up to meet their own ends. Now the pieces on the board have moved, due in no small part to their naked avarice, it's "boo-hoo it's all so fucking unfair".

I've said it before but it bears repeating. In 1981 five clubs (them, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal & Spurs) threatened to form a breakaway league unless the other clubs agreed to their proposal to stop sharing gate receipts and allow the home team to keep them all.

From that moment, the financial dynamic was changed in football and only Leeds managed to briefly break the stranglehold that these five clubs had on the league and that eventually bankrupted them.

In 1992, the same five clubs pushed for the formation of the Premier League and took the TV money (which had previously been shared with the lower divisions) all for themselves.

In the 32 years since 1981 only 4 teams outside that group of 5 have won the title, with only Chelsea winning it more than once so far. The "gang of 5" have won the title on 25 occasions. In the 30 years prior to 1981/2, something like 14 different teams won the league.

That is an eye opener, PB. A real fukcing eye opener! Astonishing.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It's not their view as to its likelihood that marks their bitterness, but rather (although not exclusively) a widespread sense of injustice that it's even possible. They were perfectly content with the way football finances were organised after they'd carved it up to meet their own ends. Now the pieces on the board have moved, due in no small part to their naked avarice, it's "boo-hoo it's all so fucking unfair".

I've said it before but it bears repeating. In 1981 five clubs (them, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal & Spurs) threatened to form a breakaway league unless the other clubs agreed to their proposal to stop sharing gate receipts and allow the home team to keep them all.

From that moment, the financial dynamic was changed in football and only Leeds managed to briefly break the stranglehold that these five clubs had on the league and that eventually bankrupted them.

In 1992, the same five clubs pushed for the formation of the Premier League and took the TV money (which had previously been shared with the lower divisions) all for themselves.

In the 32 years since 1981 only 4 teams outside that group of 5 have won the title, with only Chelsea winning it more than once so far. The "gang of 5" have won the title on 25 occasions. In the 30 years prior to 1981/2, something like 14 different teams won the league.

It's really not that bad though to want the money from the gate receipts through your stadium paid for by 95% of your fans. It's like Tesco complaining they don't get half of the profit Asda makes when they sell a can of beans. It's also not really difficult to understand that the 5 clubs with the biggest attendances will be the ones fighting for it.

Shit analogy & you've missed the point. If someone bought a smaller supermarket group like Booths & poured money into until it rivalled Tesco, Asda and Sainsburys then there could and would be no complaint. Tesco wouldn't be whining that they'd built their business up over many years and Booths had no right to have outside investment. That's business.

The system of revenue sharing prior to 1981 was designed to ensure a relatively level playing field financially. That's what happens in the NFL, NBA and MLB and no one dominates. Only Liverpool & Everton, with the wealth of the Moores family, had a little bit more money in those days. There was very little TV money and therefore not much prize money in those days so gate money was the main revenue stream. So taking money off the smaller clubs was inherently unfair as that tipped the balance financially. Those 5 clubs went on to dominate the landscape as they then had more money (and the clubs with the most money usually win more things) while the other clubs had less. At least we've not 'stolen' money off other clubs to get where we are.

 

[Vienna_70]

I've said it before but it bears repeating. In 1981 five clubs (them, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal & Spurs) threatened to form a breakaway league unless the other clubs agreed to their proposal to stop sharing gate receipts and allow the home team to keep them all.

From that moment, the financial dynamic was changed in football and only Leeds managed to briefly break the stranglehold that these five clubs had on the league and that eventually bankrupted them.

In 1992, the same five clubs pushed for the formation of the Premier League and took the TV money (which had previously been shared with the lower divisions) all for themselves.

In the 32 years since 1981 only 4 teams outside that group of 5 have won the title, with only Chelsea winning it more than once so far. The "gang of 5" have won the title on 25 occasions. In the 30 years prior to 1981/2, something like 14 different teams won the league.

It's really not that bad though to want the money from the gate receipts through your stadium paid for by 95% of your fans. It's like Tesco complaining they don't get half of the profit Asda makes when they sell a can of beans. It's also not really difficult to understand that the 5 clubs with the biggest attendances will be the ones fighting for it.

Shit analogy & you've missed the point. If someone bought a smaller supermarket group like Booths & poured money into until it rivalled Tesco, Asda and Sainsburys then there could and would be no complaint. Tesco wouldn't be whining that they'd built their business up over many years and Booths had no right to have outside investment. That's business.

The system of revenue sharing prior to 1981 was designed to ensure a relatively level playing field financially. That's what happens in the NFL, NBA and MLB and no one dominates. Only Liverpool & Everton, with the wealth of the Moores family, had a little bit more money in those days. There was very little TV money and therefore not much prize money in those days so gate money was the main revenue stream. So taking money off the smaller clubs was inherently unfair as that tipped the balance financially. Those 5 clubs went on to dominate the landscape as they then had more money (and the clubs with the most money usually win more things) while the other clubs had less. At least we've not 'stolen' money off other clubs to get where we are.

Well said Prestwich.

I agree it was a shit analogy; I just couldn't find the words to express it as eloquently as you have.

I remember thinking at the time how unfair it was to deprive the 'smaller' clubs of the extra revenue they received from their visits to the larger stadia in Division One, and the consequence of the greed of the-then 'big five' is evident for all to see today.