United Thread 2014/15

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RadcliffeRick said:
Have we had the usual quotes yet?:-

"A boyhood dream"
"Biggest club in the world" √
" have always supported them"
"Looking forward to winning trophies" √
"Manager is a genius" √

A very poor 3 out of 5 so far from the lesser Argentine full back, something must obviously be wrong with the pr department over at the swamp to have missed out on the chance of getting a quote from the little boy inside Rolo!!
 
Paul Scholes: Manchester United need five experienced players who can turn round a desperate situation

In the few weeks at the end of last season when I was part of Ryan Giggs’ coaching team at Manchester United, I was asked my opinion on whether the club should sign Cesc Fabregas or Toni Kroos this summer. I thought there was only one response to that difficult choice between two great players. I said United should sign them both.

I do not know what happened to the Kroos and Fabregas deals over the summer. The club were originally working on both of them. Perhaps the deal could not be done in the end. Perhaps Louis van Gaal did not fancy either of them. Either way, the situation now, with 11 days of the transfer window left, has become ever more desperate for my former club. They have to sign some quality players.

I am scared for United. Genuinely scared that they could go into the wilderness in the same way that Liverpool did in the 1990s. I realise that it is just 15 months since United won the league for the 20th time in the club’s history. I know that it is still the most commercially successful club in the country. It has the biggest stadium in the Premier League, and the biggest match-day revenue. But ultimately all a club’s success and standing are built on the foundations of what happens on the pitch.

The 10 biggest transfers that could still happen
After the defeat to Swansea City, and no player signed since the end of June, I feel it is time for major change. What do United need? Five players. Not five players with potential. Five experienced players... for now. Five proper players who can hit the ground running and turn around a situation that looks desperate. United’s forwards are as good as any team in the league. The problem is what comes behind them.

My five would be: Xabi Alonso, Sami Khedira, Raphaël Varane, Angel Di Maria and Mats Hummels. It would be one very big cheque for Real Madrid, given that four of them would come from that club. It would be hard to land them all. But that is the level that United need at this stage of the transfer window. I have not seen a lot of Marcos Rojo. He may fit the bill.

SCHOLES: Alonso has that quality United lack. He is not the quickest but never was. He has a superb range of passing. He can shoot too.
Let us be clear about one thing. I am sick of having to criticise the club to which I gave my life as a footballer. But this is a United team that lost seven league games at Old Trafford last season and began on Saturday by losing at home to Swansea. United need to arrest their decline. In those years under Sir Alex Ferguson, when trophy followed trophy, this sort of mediocrity was unthinkable. But it is happening.

Looking at those five players, the obvious issue with Alonso for United fans would be his past with Liverpool. So what? He has that quality United lack. He is not the quickest but then he never was. Neither is Andrea Pirlo but he can play a bit. Alonso has a superb range of passing. He can shoot too. I noticed he signed a contract extension in January but, with Kroos as well as Luka Modric at his club, perhaps now would be the time he would consider leaving.

I like Khedira for his energy and his experience. He has won the World Cup with Germany and the Champions League with Madrid in the space of two months. This is a footballer with confidence. His passing is more limited than Alonso but he has great qualities. And it seems as if he is available.

SCHOLES: Di Maria would bring that excitement to home games. His pace and ability to go past people would lift the crowd
As for Di Maria, I feel £50m is a lot but he has something that Old Trafford has lacked of late. He would bring that excitement to home games. When United play at home, they need to have players that have the pace and ability to go past opponents and lift the crowd. The club have always had them in their best years: Ryan Giggs, Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney, even Carlos Tevez. Antonio Valencia provided it, certainly in his early time there.

Today you look around the squad and ask who will give United that impetus at home. Adnan Januzaj? There are not many others. Playing away from home is a different prospect. There is less pressure to attack. You keep the ball, quieten the home support and wait for your opportunity. At home it is a different proposition.

I like Varane, and I feel his chances might be limited again this season at Madrid. Hummels has said many times that he is committed to Borussia Dortmund, but he has the sort of experience that United need in defence. Watching them on Saturday I was struck that every time Swansea were in United’s half it looked like they could score.

SCHOLES: Khedira is a footballer with confidence. His passing is more limited than Xabi Alonso but he has great qualities
My concern, as ever, is about the long-term fitness of Jonny Evans, Phil Jones and Chris Smalling. In the 3-5-2 system, Jones and Smalling never looked solid. Jones is another one of those for whom the question of “potential” comes up. How long are we going to talk about his potential before he becomes the real deal? He is 22 now and has been a United player for three years. I don’t feel that he senses danger in the way that a centre-half should do. I would prefer him to play at right-back, or in midfield.

As for Chris Smalling, he just looked exposed in the 3-5-2 formation. There were times when Wilfried Bony seemed to get the better of him physically. Neither Jones nor Smalling are great talkers on the pitch. Ideally, you would have liked Tyler Blackett to take his first steps in the senior team alongside Nemanja Vidic or Rio Ferdinand, but even saying that I find myself asking, why are United’s current centre-halves not up to it?

I still have my doubts about Van Gaal’s 3-5-2 formation. I did wonder during the World Cup whether he looked at the Netherlands squad available to him and decided that his best bet was to pack the midfield, make his side as tight as possible and hope Robin van Persie or Arjen Robben could get him goals. I wouldn’t say it was exciting football. I worry that he might be taking the same approach at United.

SCHOLES: Hummels has said many times that he is committed to Dortmund but he has the sort of experience that United need in defence
It is not all Van Gaal’s fault. The problems have been there for a while. I suppose I should have realised that the very fact I was still playing for United at 38 years old was a sign that there was not enough pressure on us senior players from those coming into the side. It was the same last season with Ryan. At times last season he was the best player on the pitch, at the age of 40.

The sad, and worrying, aspect of it all, after watching Manchester City and Chelsea over the first three days of the season, is that United are not on that level. They may not even be on the same level as Arsenal and Liverpool, who I think are the next grade down. United must make some signings in the last two weeks of the transfer window.

The club continues to be a commercial success, we are told. But that is based, like everything else at a football club, on what happens on the pitch. That is the simple basis of any great club and United are no different. Ed Woodward keeps telling us that the money is there. I would say that now is the time to start spending it.

SCHOLES: I like Varane and I feel that his chances might be limited again this season
THE FIVE SCHOLES WOULD SIGN

Sami Khedira

Age 27 Club Real Madrid Country Germany

Position Midfielder Previous club Stuttgart

International caps 51 International goals 5

Career transfer fees £12m

--

Angel Di Maria

Age 26 Club Real Madrid Country Argentina

Position Winger Previous clubs Rosario, Benfica

International caps 52 Goals 10

Career transfer fees £27m

--

Xabi Alonso

Age 32 Club Real Madrid Country Spain

Position Midfielder

Previous clubs Real Sociedad, Eibar, Liverpool

International caps 114 Goals 16

Career transfer fees £41m

--

Mats Hummels

Age 25 Club Borussia Dortmund Country Germany

Position Defender Previous club Bayern Munich

International caps 36 Goals 4

Career transfer fees £4m

--

Raphaël Varane

Age 21 Club Real Madrid Country France

Position Defender Previous club Lens

International caps 11 Goals 0

Career transfer fees £8m
 
Nothing to worry about lads

From Sky Sports Transfer Centre this morning

There are plenty of interesting stories in today’s newspapers, with The Sun reporting that Manchester United are set to offer Phil Jones a bumper new £19.5million contract. Jones has two years left on his current deal but it is said that United are anxious to tie down their young stars for fear of them being tempted away.

Go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/</a>


They're having a larf
 
Scholes perfectly highlighting exactly what is wrong at United. They'll be resorting to kidnapping players again soon. Let's hope they put on extra security at Manchester airport for champions league games
 
waspish said:
Paul Scholes: Manchester United need five experienced players who can turn round a desperate situation

In the few weeks at the end of last season when I was part of Ryan Giggs’ coaching team at Manchester United, I was asked my opinion on whether the club should sign Cesc Fabregas or Toni Kroos this summer. I thought there was only one response to that difficult choice between two great players. I said United should sign them both.

I do not know what happened to the Kroos and Fabregas deals over the summer. The club were originally working on both of them. Perhaps the deal could not be done in the end. Perhaps Louis van Gaal did not fancy either of them. Either way, the situation now, with 11 days of the transfer window left, has become ever more desperate for my former club. They have to sign some quality players.

I am scared for United. Genuinely scared that they could go into the wilderness in the same way that Liverpool did in the 1990s. I realise that it is just 15 months since United won the league for the 20th time in the club’s history. I know that it is still the most commercially successful club in the country. It has the biggest stadium in the Premier League, and the biggest match-day revenue. But ultimately all a club’s success and standing are built on the foundations of what happens on the pitch.

The 10 biggest transfers that could still happen
After the defeat to Swansea City, and no player signed since the end of June, I feel it is time for major change. What do United need? Five players. Not five players with potential. Five experienced players... for now. Five proper players who can hit the ground running and turn around a situation that looks desperate. United’s forwards are as good as any team in the league. The problem is what comes behind them.

My five would be: Xabi Alonso, Sami Khedira, Raphaël Varane, Angel Di Maria and Mats Hummels. It would be one very big cheque for Real Madrid, given that four of them would come from that club. It would be hard to land them all. But that is the level that United need at this stage of the transfer window. I have not seen a lot of Marcos Rojo. He may fit the bill.

SCHOLES: Alonso has that quality United lack. He is not the quickest but never was. He has a superb range of passing. He can shoot too.
Let us be clear about one thing. I am sick of having to criticise the club to which I gave my life as a footballer. But this is a United team that lost seven league games at Old Trafford last season and began on Saturday by losing at home to Swansea. United need to arrest their decline. In those years under Sir Alex Ferguson, when trophy followed trophy, this sort of mediocrity was unthinkable. But it is happening.

Looking at those five players, the obvious issue with Alonso for United fans would be his past with Liverpool. So what? He has that quality United lack. He is not the quickest but then he never was. Neither is Andrea Pirlo but he can play a bit. Alonso has a superb range of passing. He can shoot too. I noticed he signed a contract extension in January but, with Kroos as well as Luka Modric at his club, perhaps now would be the time he would consider leaving.

I like Khedira for his energy and his experience. He has won the World Cup with Germany and the Champions League with Madrid in the space of two months. This is a footballer with confidence. His passing is more limited than Alonso but he has great qualities. And it seems as if he is available.

SCHOLES: Di Maria would bring that excitement to home games. His pace and ability to go past people would lift the crowd
As for Di Maria, I feel £50m is a lot but he has something that Old Trafford has lacked of late. He would bring that excitement to home games. When United play at home, they need to have players that have the pace and ability to go past opponents and lift the crowd. The club have always had them in their best years: Ryan Giggs, Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney, even Carlos Tevez. Antonio Valencia provided it, certainly in his early time there.

Today you look around the squad and ask who will give United that impetus at home. Adnan Januzaj? There are not many others. Playing away from home is a different prospect. There is less pressure to attack. You keep the ball, quieten the home support and wait for your opportunity. At home it is a different proposition.

I like Varane, and I feel his chances might be limited again this season at Madrid. Hummels has said many times that he is committed to Borussia Dortmund, but he has the sort of experience that United need in defence. Watching them on Saturday I was struck that every time Swansea were in United’s half it looked like they could score.

SCHOLES: Khedira is a footballer with confidence. His passing is more limited than Xabi Alonso but he has great qualities
My concern, as ever, is about the long-term fitness of Jonny Evans, Phil Jones and Chris Smalling. In the 3-5-2 system, Jones and Smalling never looked solid. Jones is another one of those for whom the question of “potential” comes up. How long are we going to talk about his potential before he becomes the real deal? He is 22 now and has been a United player for three years. I don’t feel that he senses danger in the way that a centre-half should do. I would prefer him to play at right-back, or in midfield.

As for Chris Smalling, he just looked exposed in the 3-5-2 formation. There were times when Wilfried Bony seemed to get the better of him physically. Neither Jones nor Smalling are great talkers on the pitch. Ideally, you would have liked Tyler Blackett to take his first steps in the senior team alongside Nemanja Vidic or Rio Ferdinand, but even saying that I find myself asking, why are United’s current centre-halves not up to it?

I still have my doubts about Van Gaal’s 3-5-2 formation. I did wonder during the World Cup whether he looked at the Netherlands squad available to him and decided that his best bet was to pack the midfield, make his side as tight as possible and hope Robin van Persie or Arjen Robben could get him goals. I wouldn’t say it was exciting football. I worry that he might be taking the same approach at United.

SCHOLES: Hummels has said many times that he is committed to Dortmund but he has the sort of experience that United need in defence
It is not all Van Gaal’s fault. The problems have been there for a while. I suppose I should have realised that the very fact I was still playing for United at 38 years old was a sign that there was not enough pressure on us senior players from those coming into the side. It was the same last season with Ryan. At times last season he was the best player on the pitch, at the age of 40.

The sad, and worrying, aspect of it all, after watching Manchester City and Chelsea over the first three days of the season, is that United are not on that level. They may not even be on the same level as Arsenal and Liverpool, who I think are the next grade down. United must make some signings in the last two weeks of the transfer window.

The club continues to be a commercial success, we are told. But that is based, like everything else at a football club, on what happens on the pitch. That is the simple basis of any great club and United are no different. Ed Woodward keeps telling us that the money is there. I would say that now is the time to start spending it.

SCHOLES: I like Varane and I feel that his chances might be limited again this season
THE FIVE SCHOLES WOULD SIGN

Sami Khedira

Age 27 Club Real Madrid Country Germany

Position Midfielder Previous club Stuttgart

International caps 51 International goals 5

Career transfer fees £12m

--

Angel Di Maria

Age 26 Club Real Madrid Country Argentina

Position Winger Previous clubs Rosario, Benfica

International caps 52 Goals 10

Career transfer fees £27m

--

Xabi Alonso

Age 32 Club Real Madrid Country Spain

Position Midfielder

Previous clubs Real Sociedad, Eibar, Liverpool

International caps 114 Goals 16

Career transfer fees £41m

--

Mats Hummels

Age 25 Club Borussia Dortmund Country Germany

Position Defender Previous club Bayern Munich

International caps 36 Goals 4

Career transfer fees £4m

--

Raphaël Varane

Age 21 Club Real Madrid Country France

Position Defender Previous club Lens

International caps 11 Goals 0

Career transfer fees £8m
It reads like the ramblings of a mad man. No reference whatsoever to the biggest limiting factor in united signing those players, namely the lack of Champions League football. It's akin to excitedly talking about buying a car without mentioning that you're banned from driving.

Also, what does he propose to do with the rest of united's bloated squad when these players arrive?

It does mark an interesting departure from his usual party-line, though. I wonder if those words are Taggart's?
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Nothing to worry about lads

From Sky Sports Transfer Centre this morning

There are plenty of interesting stories in today’s newspapers, with The Sun reporting that Manchester United are set to offer Phil Jones a bumper new £19.5million contract. Jones has two years left on his current deal but it is said that United are anxious to tie down their young stars for fear of them being tempted away.

Go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/</a>


They're having a larf

Surely they mean 19.5 Million Zimbabwe dollars?? Jones is absolutely rank and would struggle in the Championship, Scholes was right, they are desperate ;-)
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Nothing to worry about lads

From Sky Sports Transfer Centre this morning

There are plenty of interesting stories in today’s newspapers, with The Sun reporting that Manchester United are set to offer Phil Jones a bumper new £19.5million contract. Jones has two years left on his current deal but it is said that United are anxious to tie down their young stars for fear of them being tempted away.

Go here

<a class="postlink" href="http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/</a>


They're having a larf

Hammer Films must be on the sniff.
 
rags going for someone who would need a work permit and would have to plead 'special talent' at any hearing. Never a problem when baconface was about, but would be interesting to see the outcome now.

Manchester United are hoping to fend off competition from Premier League rivals Chelsea and Tottenham to sign Brazilian starlet Lucas Silva.

Silva, currently of Cruzeiro, is also on the radar of European giants Atletico Madrid, Barcelona and Inter Milan.

United would need to shell out £12m to land the impressive 21-year-old.

The only stumbling block to any deal for Silva could be his ability to obtain a work permit.

But as Silva has been picked at all age-group levels for his national side it means he is likely to be considered a "special talent" and given permission to move to England.
 
Although Scholes seems to do a lot of straight talking and seems to talk a lot of sense

I still can't get my head around why he reels off a list of world class players that have recently won the champions league/world cup and makes out as if they will all jump at the chance to join their sinking ship

Jokes aside is there anyone affiliated with that club that actually talks with any reality?
 
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