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My favourite thread. It brings out the best in us.
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Apparently it's good news that no goals Rooney is back. Really?
Shaw to Rojo is a drastic drop in terms of just about everything.

It also looks like, Liverpool aside teams including the mighty PSV realise they are actually gash at the back despite the media trying to hide it.
 
He was literally sacked outright for that deal. As in that's the reason they gave the press.

http://fortune.com/2012/08/13/what-really-happened-to-gms-cmo/



The bolded bit is never ever mentioned by the rag press either
I like this bit:
Of course it’s too early to tell whether the soccer sponsorship at the center of the maelstrom ultimately will help GM’s sales, particularly in Europe. But years from now, it may look like a brilliant move on Ewanick’s part.
Their sales must have nose-dived when everyone found out about it.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/football...nited-15m-dividend-greg-dyke?CMP=share_btn_tw

milk Manchester United with £15m dividend – and football is silent
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David Conn
A club founded by railway workers in 1878 has become a vehicle for paying six siblings £2.5m a year each – and Greg Dyke and Richard Scudamore have not said a word


Avie Glazer talks tactics with Louis van Gaal during a Manchester United training at Stanford University in July 2015. Photograph: Tom Purslow/Man Utd via Getty Images


Friday 18 September 2015 13.35 BSTLast modified on Friday 18 September 2015 14.51 BST

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The £15m that Manchester United are to pay the six Glazer siblings every year in solemnly announced dividends marks the beginning of the maxing-out end that the family have planned ever since they bought the great football club with all their borrowed money 10 years ago. United, the club that became a legend for the epic rebuilding after the Munich air disaster, have been manipulated in modern times as a prototype for relentless financial exploitation of a football “brand” and its supporters.

During Thursday’s conference call with merchant bank investors keen on making money from the famous club, Ed Woodward, the vice-chairman and the Glazers’ long-term loyal fixer, enthused as always about global millions of fans, Twitter followers and hashtags, while news of that $0.045 dividend was briefly mentioned in passing. As United’s corporate finance director, Hemen Tseayo, noted, it is the first dividend the plc will pay since the Glazers relocated United’s ultimate company registration from Sir Matt Busby Way to the Cayman Islands, and floated the shares on the New York stock exchange three years ago.

The £15m annual dividend, wearily predictable but still unpalatable to United’s many informed supporters, sets the process seriously under way for the US family to fill their own bank accounts with fortunes from United. That always looked like the intention when, practically unknown in Britain and with no background or connection to United, in 2005 the family pulled off their £790m takeover, of which £525m was borrowed, £275m of it from “payments in kind” or piks – very high interest finance owed to hedge funds. Woodward, then at the bank JP Morgan, was an architect for the Glazers of that leveraged takeover, including the high-interest piks, then the saddling of United with paying it all off.

The club, including supporters whose season-ticket prices were immediately increased and subjected to compulsory purchase of cup tickets, have poured money out to bankers since: that monumental £700m, to cover interest and a series of other heart-sinking fees. Even last year, with United through the knife-edge period of indebtedness and making almost £400m in income despite the post-Sir Alex Ferguson season out of the Champions League, the club paid another £35m in finance costs, mostly due to paying bankers a premium for yet another refinancing. The debt still, remarkably, stands at £411m gross.

A previous refinancing in 2010 revealed that the six children of the late Malcolm Glazer – the brothers Avram, Bryan, Edward, Kevin and Joel and their sister, Darcie Glazer Kassewitz – had borrowed a total of £10m from the club, and been paid £10m in “management and administration fees”.

When they moved the registration of the football club, formed in 1878 by workers on the Lancashire and Yorkshire railway, to the tax haven of the Cayman Islands, they cashed in £75m by selling a slice of their shares. Last August, with United floundering after the Glazers and Woodward bungled the succession to Ferguson, the Glazers nevertheless decided the time was right to make another $200m (£129m) selling some more shares. Then in December, Edward Glazer made approximately £29mby selling a small portion, 3m, of his shares.

The new dividend, $0.045 every three months on each of the 131m shares the Glazers have accrued to themselves after all the corporate reorganisations, promises to bank transfer them £15m, £2.5m each annually; and they are surely looking ahead to a grand final sale. A document registered with the New York stock exchange on Thursday enables them to sell up to 24m shares over the next three years, which would make them $432m (£276m) at current prices. United plc also has the possibility of selling new shares to raise the same amount; the document dutifully makes clear that none of the money the Glazers are paid for their shares will go to the club. Indeed, not one penny of the millions they have made, or the £250m they spent initially as part of their leveraged buyout of the club has gone in for the use of United itself.

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There are people, mostly not versed in British football’s folk roots and administrative history, who admire the Glazers for being clever, for seeing in 2005 how much more worldwide commercial capital would be colonised by the Premier League and its biggest “brand”, and say good luck. Those people need reminding of the history: that unlike in the US where sports teams have always been franchises, commercial investments for “owners”, Britain had clubs, formed by members, such as those Newton Heath railway workers, for the foundational love of the game.

When football became professional in the late 1880s and clubs formed limited companies to protect their members from personal liability for the expenses, the Football Association imposed rules to prevent these clubs becoming mere commercial vehicles. One of the important limits was to the value of dividends, precisely so that shareholders, “owners”, did not use their club shares to cash in, as the Glazers are doing now.

Those rules lasted into the 1990s, but were bypassed from the 1980s by club owners, including United’s, forming holding companies to float as plcs on the Stock Exchange, which would pay dividends and transform their shares into more saleable assets. The FA, in the now well-told but still heartbreaking history, sat and watched, befuddled; abandoning the club ethos and rules in the hyper-commercial, TV rights-bonanza modern era, just when carefully crafted regulation was needed most.

The Glazers, reviled by many United fans including those who formed the breakaway FC United of Manchester on supporter-ownership principles, nevertheless blazed a trail for more US investors buying great English clubs – Arsenal, Liverpool, Aston Villa, Sunderland – looking for capital gain, in the financially booming league they call the EPL.

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As ever with the Glazers, there was no criticism of the dividend from within football. The FA, now chaired, in a trick of history, by Greg Dyke, a backer of the 1992 Premier League breakaway and one-time director of the pre-Glazers Manchester United plc, has been a compliant governing body throughout.

The Premier League chief executive, Richard Scudamore, is the well-paid servant of the club owners, there to enrich them with huge TV deals, and the Glazer takeover was all approved on his watch. Ferguson, backed in the transfer market, as he saw it, and handsomely paid, praised the Glazers as “fantastic owners”. David Gill, the chief executive who first opposed the takeover then said the Glazers had revised their borrowings to make them acceptable, is now reinvented as the FA’s and English football’s good governance representative at Uefa and, he hopes, ultimately Fifa.

Gary and Phil Neville, Paul Scholes and Nicky Butt, who have garnered a huge media presence and trade on their “class of ’92” credentials as hometown United lads at heart, have not been noted over the past 10 years for speaking out about the actual ownership structure and financial pounding of their club.

The Glazers’ methods incorporate many criticised elements of divisive modern capitalism: debt-laden acquisition of a healthy company to leech money to banks; use of a tax haven; rising costs to the public; massive directors’ salaries – all aiming for exponential personal gains for the owners. And still, nobody in football authority dares to utter a word about whether any of this brings the people’s game into disrepute.

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Still around £400m I believe. The Glazers are up to their necks in debt as their main business is leveraged to the hilt and the future for down-market malls isn't looking good. Even the £225m cash they originally put into the deal to buy the rags was almost certainly borrowed by remortgaging some of those malls just before the crash. Plus they took on more personal debt to pay off the ruinous PIK notes they used to finance the rest of the deal. It's quite possible they could sell the rags for $2bn and still not have enough to cover all their various debts.
Thanks ,just seems odd lve seen all sorts of figures for all sorts of things but not the debt ,usually its there somewhere.
Surly if they had managed to reduce it they would have bullet point it as good news,but nothing
 
Suspect this guy has been behind muddled GM strategy in the UK too - tried to push Vauxhalls up a class - Insignia as a 5 series - Astra as a 3 series - Zafira Tourer as aEspace on the grounds it has 7 seats. What they actually did was kill off the Zafira and render the rest too expensive and the bargain brand Chevrolet was seen as wank so has been pulled from the UK market with its base model the Spark rebodied and sold as the new Vauxhall Viva. Lost sales and market share - so that kind of thinking would see the rags deal as a total success of course.

Meantime rag fans ( and the rest of us ) went out and bought Nissan's / BMW's / Fords / Mazda's / Renaults and so on which means they now run round with shirts on bearing the logo of a sponsor no longer operating in that market?? Reminds me of the Felchester Rovers sponsorship deal of a few years ago when they had "SPANGLES" across their chest years after they had stopped making them............. or did I dream that...??
 
Suspect this guy has been behind muddled GM strategy in the UK too - tried to push Vauxhalls up a class - Insignia as a 5 series - Astra as a 3 series - Zafira Tourer as aEspace on the grounds it has 7 seats. What they actually did was kill off the Zafira and render the rest too expensive and the bargain brand Chevrolet was seen as wank so has been pulled from the UK market with its base model the Spark rebodied and sold as the new Vauxhall Viva. Lost sales and market share - so that kind of thinking would see the rags deal as a total success of course.

Meantime rag fans ( and the rest of us ) went out and bought Nissan's / BMW's / Fords / Mazda's / Renaults and so on which means they now run round with shirts on bearing the logo of a sponsor no longer operating in that market?? Reminds me of the Felchester Rovers sponsorship deal of a few years ago when they had "SPANGLES" across their chest years after they had stopped making them............. or did I dream that...??

I was wondering why the Chevrolet place near us changed hands.
 
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