A huge leap of faith that an industrial 'rivalry' translates to a football rivalry. Two things you have assumed here:
That the majority of dockers would be football fans and would support one of either Liverpool or United - I'm sure a fair few would have been Everton or City fans so please explain why this rivalry didn't translate to us or Everton ? Secondly, you make an assumption that Liverpool or rag fans would all give a sh*t about the shipping industry, patently a huge assumption.
I wasn't around in the late sixties or seventies but we very often came out on top in local derbies so to assert that Liverpool other than in recent times were bigger rivals than City to rags is patently untrue. Anyone know ows that rivalry is driven by who you work with, live next to on a day to day basis. That for most City and United fans will be those whom you share the same City, unless you are admitting that most rags don't live in Manchester.
Give up the pretence, everyone knows this supposed firece rivalry witn liverpool was a fergie creation dedigned to undermine City. If this isn't the case I'm sure you can show us how much time you're spending on Rawk ?
The ship canal did not create a footballing rivalry, it created animosity between the cities of Liverpool and Manchester (Salford). This resentment regarding jobs was very real at the time and if you watch the attached MSC documentary that was filmed in the 1970's, the Salford dockers have nothing but scorn for the Liverpool dockers. It's a great bit of footage.
Also, the early 70's was 45 years ago. This is not by any stretch a 'modern' rivalry. And it wasn't created by Alex Ferguson, either. It's one thing making statements of fact, as a respected historian, but when you merge these with your own opinions, then this can sometimes come unstuck. Especially when people who were living and breathing in those decades have the gift of recollection.
Fast forward the clip to 4 mins. As a historian you will enjoy it. Very insightful.
Sorry my mistake. I hadn't realised you've got more titles than us, in the future.Eh?
I thought we were talking about the present / future.
You've always had more titles than Chelsea.
So, my point still stands: you're living in the past.
Won. As in the past tense of the verb "to win". What you won in 1993 or 1999, or prior to that, has absolutely no bearing on this or any future season. None.
In the last 5 seasons, we've won 4 trophies, finished 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 1st and 2nd, while you've won 1 trophy, finishing 1st, 2nd, 1st, 7th, 4th. There's little argument that, in this current cycle, we (and Chelsea) are superior teams to United. That doesn't mean it will always be like that though.[/QUOTE
Sorry but that is simply historically incorrect.Indeed we will. Your era was based upon Ferguson. It's worth noting that only 3 United managers have ever won the league. Following the departures of both Magnell and Busby you went decades without a title. Your current management structure with no Director of Football is antiquated. The class of 92 who were meant to provide continuity like "the Anfield boot room" have largely also gone. You do still have financial clout but are being bleed dry by the Glazier's dividends and interest payments. Spending like the last couple of years can't continue. Your academy has been overtaken by both ours and Chelsea's.
Ast 5 years winners
2010-11- Man Utd
2011-12 Manchester City
2012-13 Man Utd
2013-14 Manchester City
2014-15 Chelsea
That's 2 each for United and City.
The economic point is neither true as our finances will only get stronger as we overtake Real Madrid in real earnings.
Just read the last 25 pages, fucking hell some posters need fanny pads. They're 2 points behind us....they're going to finish above us......the French kid is a worldy.....Turtle gets all the luck........
God knows what the flappers would be like if we were where Chelsea are.
Exactly!!Lose to last years champions league finalists and throw everything but the kitchen sink at West Ham and the world caves in.
West Ham and Leicester are within touching distance of us as well as the rags. 3 teams who won't be there when the league runs its full course it's September get a grip!
This is a quote from the govan pisscans new book "Leading". On demanding his salary was doubled after Wayne Rooney's big pay increase in 2010: "I told them I did not think it fair that Rooney should earn twice what I made and Joel Glazer immediately said: 'I totally agree with you but what should we do?' It was simple. We just agreed that no player should be paid more than me."
So this means he was on over 300k a week?! Fuck me, i bet his local Oddbins was bare
Sorry my mistake. I hadn't realised you've got more titles than us, in the future.