United Thread 2015/16

[Wilf Wild 1937]

So United fans think: "this could be our year?" Remarkable how post the GPC they have actually become Liverpool. All eras pass and United's has gone but I guess it will take two or three decades before they realise it if they follow the scousers lead.

 

[Vienna_70]

Remember the mid 70s only too well, watching Hughes, Dalglish and the unstoppable Stevie Heighway on the wing. 80s too didn't improve.
Liverpool dominant domestically and cruising in Europe too. Then tragically Heysel and later Hillsborough taking us up to Ferguson's era. They were formidable no doubts about that.
But the premier league era has all about United. Firstly overtaking Liverpool then repressing the Arsenal challenge. Pizzagate and Keane and Viera squaring up.
Abramovic and the not so special one was some rivalry too. Drogba did our heads in at times. Still fairplay we soon saw to the upstarts. Now with yourselves on top (if only by the two points) interesting times ahead indeed. Will United be up for the challenge. I wouldnt bet against us.

How the hell have you repressed Arsenal's and Chelsea's challenge?

They've both finished above you for the last seasons.

As have we.

Deluded isn't the word!

 

[tony marshall]

So United fans think: "this could be our year?" Remarkable how post the GPC they have actually become Liverpool. All eras pass and United's has gone but I guess it will take two or three decades before they realise it if they follow the scousers lead.

Let's see.

 

[tony marshall]

How the hell have you repressed Arsenal's and Chelsea's challenge?

They've both finished above you for the last seasons.

As have we.

Deluded isn't the word!

Sorry but that is simply the historical reality. We've won more titles than Arsenal and Chelsea put together.

 

[dario2739]

Sorry but that is simply the historical reality. We've won more titles than Arsenal and Chelsea put together.

Do you rember a certain banner the scousers put up in the early 90's..?
You lot overtaking their league wins tally was unthinkable... for you to come out with the same bollocks now is laughable... you WILL be overtaken, just a matter of time.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Sorry but that is simply the historical reality. We've won more titles than Arsenal and Chelsea put together.

Won. As in the past tense of the verb "to win". What you won in 1993 or 1999, or prior to that, has absolutely no bearing on this or any future season. None.

In the last 5 seasons, we've won 4 trophies, finished 3rd, 1st, 2nd, 1st and 2nd, while you've won 1 trophy, finishing 1st, 2nd, 1st, 7th, 4th. There's little argument that, in this current cycle, we (and Chelsea) are superior teams to United. That doesn't mean it will always be like that though.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Let's see.

Indeed we will. Your era was based upon Ferguson. It's worth noting that only 3 United managers have ever won the league. Following the departures of both Magnell and Busby you went decades without a title. Your current management structure with no Director of Football is antiquated. The class of 92 who were meant to provide continuity like "the Anfield boot room" have largely also gone. You do still have financial clout but are being bleed dry by the Glazier's dividends and interest payments. Spending like the last couple of years can't continue. Your academy has been overtaken by both ours and Chelsea's.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Sorry but that is simply the historical reality. We've won more titles than Arsenal and Chelsea put together.

And we've won less than either Villa or Sunderland but I still fancy us to finish above both of them come May.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The ship canal did not create a footballing rivalry, it created animosity between the cities of Liverpool and Manchester (Salford). This resentment regarding jobs was very real at the time and if you watch the attached MSC documentary that was filmed in the 1970's, the Salford dockers have nothing but scorn for the Liverpool dockers. It's a great bit of footage.

Also, the early 70's was 45 years ago. This is not by any stretch a 'modern' rivalry. And it wasn't created by Alex Ferguson, either. It's one thing making statements of fact, as a respected historian, but when you merge these with your own opinions, then this can sometimes come unstuck. Especially when people who were living and breathing in those decades have the gift of recollection.

Fast forward the clip to 4 mins. As a historian you will enjoy it. Very insightful.

One particularly discernible part of that clip is how much the Manchester accent has changed in the last half decade.

 

[Vienna_70]

Sorry but that is simply the historical reality. We've won more titles than Arsenal and Chelsea put together.

Eh?

I thought we were talking about the present / future.

You've always had more titles than Chelsea.

So, my point still stands: you're living in the past.